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Post by djpsyko on Jul 2, 2014 20:43:53 GMT -5
I'm mot saying beating Jericho makes you a god or something. Just that's its a nice accolade. A nice thing to build you up to better things. You guys keep saying that Wyatt, Reings or Cesaro are not ready for a title reign just yet. Well having them go over a multi-times world champ like Jericho (or RVD) is the way to do make them believable champioship contender. If the top guy in the company (Cena) is not willing to do it, who will ? Someone who as nothing left to accomplish in the business.
Anyways you won't have me believe that a win over Jericho doesn't mean anything. His legacy is too strong to be swept under the rug because of some loses in his recent runs.
It's like saying that beating Sting right now does noting for your career.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 20:54:15 GMT -5
Beating Jericho doesn't make you a legitimate contender, nor does beating Van Dam. You wanna know why? Because they lose more than they win and when you do that, beating those guys doesn't mean much anymore because a lot of guys do it. That's why in Japan, the older veterans rarely lose matches. They get it, they know that rarely dropping matches in the end makes it more important when they finally do because it elevates the guy who beats them.
Ryback wasn't elevated by Jericho. Ziggler wasn't elevated by Jericho. You have an argument for Fandango, but look at where he is now.
Also, Jericho's legacy? You're talking like he's on Ricky Steamboat's level. Come on, now.
Because it did so much for Bobby Roode and Magnus, right?
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Post by djpsyko on Jul 2, 2014 22:07:52 GMT -5
Allright then ... Tell me exactly what you would do right now to elevate Bray Wyatt ? Who would you have him face ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 23:09:31 GMT -5
Allright then ... Tell me exactly what you would do right now to elevate Bray Wyatt ? Who would you have him face ? Jericho is the only option he has now since Cena's got the four way match at Battleground. Just because he's the only option doesn't make him a good option and stop acting like Jericho is going to elevate anyone. Again, if you beat someone who a lot of guys lower on the card than you (Ziggler, Ryback, Fandango, JTG beat Jericho for f--k sake) isn't going to elevate you at all. And by the way, coming back and essentially being a part time, well paid job guy isn't doing his 'legacy' any favors. Have Bray smash Jericho and pick up the leftovers when Hunter's done with Reigns at SummerSlam. That's their only option right now. Being in the ring with Jericho legitimizes Bray as a top guy like paying for a hooker means you're in a committed relationship. The 95-96 Chicago Bulls are the greatest team in basketball history, does that mean your team is elevated if you beat the 2013-2014 Bulls? Fedor was the most dominant heavyweight in MMA, was Jeff Monson elevated when he beat a past-his-prime Fedor? The answer both of those is no and why? Because times change, things lose meaning. Chris Jericho is one of those things. You want to know why beating Undertaker is a big deal, or why beating Triple H is a big deal? Because they understood the value of holding off and losing a match when the time is right so that when they did lose, it was a big deal. Then again, those guys are legit main eventers. Jericho wasn't.
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Post by lucifer on Jul 3, 2014 5:49:48 GMT -5
What really would have legitimized Wyatt would have been a decisive victory over Cena. Without the aid of a second grader!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 5:58:40 GMT -5
What really would have legitimized Wyatt would have been a decisive victory over Cena. Without the aid of a second grader! Exactly. He wouldn't be in the spot he is if he was booked to look more convincing against Cena.
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Post by Sinclair Promotions on Jul 5, 2014 0:29:08 GMT -5
WWE's biggest problem right now has ONE name. John Cena. Cena hasn't legitimately put ANYONE over in years. Even his "Clean" loss to Bryan at Summerslam last year was over shadowed by the fact that Cena had the arm injury going in and everyone and their mother knew Bryan was going over.
I think once Triple H & Stephanie take full control of the company (Vince still has final say) you will Cena starting to finally put guys over clean. Bray Wyatt should have come out on top of his feud with Cena, doing so would have truly made Wyatt a threat in fans eyes. Now he just another "Monster Heel" that was fed to Cena while he was hot.
As for Dolph, I can't explain what happened to him. He was RED hot coming out of his feud with Jericho and winning MiTB but he was stopped cold when he dropped the belt back to Del Rio and hasn't recovered since.
Ryback may have been a lot bigger today than he is now if he went over Punk clean during their feud, but since he simply sucks (look at his Mania match with Henry). Ryback has found a nice spot on the roster teaming with Curtis Axel. Mind you both have almost zero charisma so they will be stuck as a jobber team for awhile.
Fandango was simply shoved down our throats before he was ready for the spotlight and "Fandangoing" was what truly got over for a brief period of time. If Fandango could cut a decent promo I am sure he would be a little further up the card than he is now. The guy has skills but can't cut a promo, plus right now he is side attraction in the awful Summer Rae/Layla feud. Which makes zero sense to anyone who watches Total Diva's.
Right now you have guys like RVD and Jericho working part time in the hopes that their name value will help to elevate up and coming talent, but with Cena not willing to cleanly put anyone over there is only so much RVD & Jericho can add of any value. Mind you I think RVD & Jericho shouldn't lose as often as they do on free television. Take RVD's recent NXT match against Neville. That is a match that RVD should have won. He is a former WWE & ECW Champion while Neville is the champion of the developmental division. A lose by Neville to RVD doesn't hurt Neville, it only showcases that he still has a lot to learn before he comes up to the main roster.
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Post by djpsyko on Jul 5, 2014 0:55:14 GMT -5
WWE's biggest problem right now has ONE name. John Cena. Cena hasn't legitimately put ANYONE over in years. Even his "Clean" loss to Bryan at Summerslam last year was over shadowed by the fact that Cena had the arm injury going in and everyone and their mother knew Bryan was going over. I think once Triple H & Stephanie take full control of the company (Vince still has final say) you will Cena starting to finally put guys over clean. Bray Wyatt should have come out on top of his feud with Cena, doing so would have truly made Wyatt a threat in fans eyes. Now he just another "Monster Heel" that was fed to Cena while he was hot. As for Dolph, I can't explain what happened to him. He was RED hot coming out of his feud with Jericho and winning MiTB but he was stopped cold when he dropped the belt back to Del Rio and hasn't recovered since. Ryback may have been a lot bigger today than he is now if he went over Punk clean during their feud, but since he simply sucks (look at his Mania match with Henry). Ryback has found a nice spot on the roster teaming with Curtis Axel. Mind you both have almost zero charisma so they will be stuck as a jobber team for awhile. Fandango was simply shoved down our throats before he was ready for the spotlight and "Fandangoing" was what truly got over for a brief period of time. If Fandango could cut a decent promo I am sure he would be a little further up the card than he is now. The guy has skills but can't cut a promo, plus right now he is side attraction in the awful Summer Rae/Layla feud. Which makes zero sense to anyone who watches Total Diva's. Right now you have guys like RVD and Jericho working part time in the hopes that their name value will help to elevate up and coming talent, but with Cena not willing to cleanly put anyone over there is only so much RVD & Jericho can add of any value. Mind you I think RVD & Jericho shouldn't lose as often as they do on free television. Take RVD's recent NXT match against Neville. That is a match that RVD should have won. He is a former WWE & ECW Champion while Neville is the champion of the developmental division. A lose by Neville to RVD doesn't hurt Neville, it only showcases that he still has a lot to learn before he comes up to the main roster. This.
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Post by wildfire on Jul 8, 2014 11:02:46 GMT -5
I think WWE could have made Jericho put someone over no problem... IF they had HIM win the title at MitB. Make him a surprise entrant, grab the title... then give it to Wyatt at Battleground.
Or, better yet, have him beat Orton at Battleground, then Wyatt takes the title at Summer Slam. Heck, they could still do the 4 way, just make it for the #1 contender spot.
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