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Post by executioner on Mar 13, 2017 10:27:43 GMT -5
Even though WWE has definitely improved in the last couple years, I still find very little about it to be unpredictable or can't miss. I also think KO needs to get into some better shape and lose the t-shirt and gym shorts look. He doesn't have to wear a singlet or whatever but he would really benefit to lose the "fat guy at a pick up basketball game" look. Jim Cornette said the same thing and got vilified by the IWC for his troubles. But Cornette was right, and still is. It stands out even more in the very image conscious WWE. Owens run as champ was "meh", and made even worse by being the jobber pawn to set up a WM main event Owens will not be a part of. That is a burial.
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Post by Swarm on Mar 13, 2017 10:58:24 GMT -5
Even though WWE has definitely improved in the last couple years, I still find very little about it to be unpredictable or can't miss. I also think KO needs to get into some better shape and lose the t-shirt and gym shorts look. He doesn't have to wear a singlet or whatever but he would really benefit to lose the "fat guy at a pick up basketball game" look. Jim Cornette said the same thing and got vilified by the IWC for his troubles. But Cornette was right, and still is. It stands out even more in the very image conscious WWE. Owens run as champ was "meh", and made even worse by being the jobber pawn to set up a WM main event Owens will not be a part of. That is a burial. I'm not sure that WWE is as image conscious as they used to be. We have had Finn Balor (tiny), KO and Bray Wyatt (fat) as champions, a whole division based on little guys who looks like they were pulled from the audience, and the women's champion is a flat chested life long fan vs a model with fake boobs. On top of that, Samoa Joe and Chris Hero are both obese, and getting huge pushes. I have no problem w KO's look. With that said, as a PT, I'm all for anyone and everyone trying to improve their health.
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 13, 2017 15:32:06 GMT -5
To me it isn't so much that KO is overweight... WWE has had tons of overweight wrestlers in the past... it's more about his overall look not working for me. To me, his gimmick is essentially that he's sort of a tough regular guy overachiever. This sort of gimmick could certainly work just fine in a guy with some extra lbs. but the sleeveless shirt and basketball shorts take away from what should be a tough look and make him look like any old guy off the street. KO is no taller than the majority of us on this board so he can't get away with any sort of monster heel sort of gimmick.
Chris Hero also really looks out of shape in there. I don't know if he has any sort of health condition making it harder for him to lose weight (other than age) but he never used to look like this. I remember toward the end of Raven's in ring career he had some sort of health thing that made him put on pounds.
Samoa Joe, on the other hand, has some extra pounds but looks like he could rip your arms off and beat you to death with them, just for looking at him wrong. That said, he still needs to lose the dumb shorts. It would be a shame to see him fall into any sort of generic Samoan type of gimmick but I've never liked his dollar store looking shorts, despite being a fan of his for a long time.
Bray Wyatt on the other hand has a stellar look and aura about him, despite being overweight by typical wrestling standards.
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Post by lucifer on Mar 13, 2017 16:23:46 GMT -5
I kinda liked the idea of the Universal Champion having a gut similar to mine. Was rather comforting...
Bottom line is the guy can flat-out go and by that I mean out wrestle most guys in the company. Who gives a crap what kind of "body" he has? That being said, Samoa Joe's shorts are almost ridiculous as Roman Reigns' chest protector 😝
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:38:52 GMT -5
To me it isn't so much that KO is overweight... WWE has had tons of overweight wrestlers in the past... it's more about his overall look not working for me. To me, his gimmick is essentially that he's sort of a tough regular guy overachiever. This sort of gimmick could certainly work just fine in a guy with some extra lbs. but the sleeveless shirt and basketball shorts take away from what should be a tough look and make him look like any old guy off the street. KO is no taller than the majority of us on this board so he can't get away with any sort of monster heel sort of gimmick. The funny thing about this to me is that people are coming around to hating this exact look despite it being one of the aspects of his character that was praised during his ROH run. Chris Hero also really looks out of shape in there. I don't know if he has any sort of health condition making it harder for him to lose weight (other than age) but he never used to look like this. He really balooned in 2015. I'm not sure why this happened but I miss when Hero looked like the modern Barry Windham and lot like Barry Windham got an unlimited gift card to Burger King. Samoa Joe, on the other hand, has some extra pounds but looks like he could rip your arms off and beat you to death with them, just for looking at him wrong. That said, he still needs to lose the dumb shorts. It would be a shame to see him fall into any sort of generic Samoan type of gimmick but I've never liked his dollar store looking shorts, despite being a fan of his for a long time. I don't see the problem with the boxing shorts, tbh. It doesn't really change that he looks like a guy who'd kill your entire family and you couldn't do anything to stop him. I doubt he's going to fall into a stereotypical gimmick at this point. They're a lot better now at letting talent ratain what made them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:39:30 GMT -5
I kinda liked the idea of the Universal Champion having a gut similar to mine. Was rather comforting... Bottom line is the guy can flat-out go and by that I mean out wrestle most guys in the company. Who gives a crap what kind of "body" he has? That being said, Samoa Joe's shorts are almost ridiculous as Roman Reigns' chest protector 😝 I've never gotten why a guy who will never have to work against New Jack needs a bullet proof vest.
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Post by lucifer on Mar 13, 2017 16:43:27 GMT -5
Hahahaha
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Post by Swarm on Mar 13, 2017 17:44:31 GMT -5
I kinda liked the idea of the Universal Champion having a gut similar to mine. Was rather comforting... Bottom line is the guy can flat-out go and by that I mean out wrestle most guys in the company. Who gives a crap what kind of "body" he has? That being said, Samoa Joe's shorts are almost ridiculous as Roman Reigns' chest protector 😝 I've never gotten why a guy who will never have to work against New Jack needs a bullet proof vest. Reigns' vest is one of the great mysteries in WWE. By all accounts, he is huge. They don't sell kid versions. And he's a face. So why does he need the vest? It was super cool when the Shield wore them, but now it doesn't add up. All I can think of is they don't want him to look like the third Uso brother.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:34:13 GMT -5
I've never gotten why a guy who will never have to work against New Jack needs a bullet proof vest. Reigns' vest is one of the great mysteries in WWE. By all accounts, he is huge. They don't sell kid versions. And he's a face. So why does he need the vest? It was super cool when the Shield wore them, but now it doesn't add up. All I can think of is they don't want him to look like the third Uso brother. I'm guessing they wanted at least one member of the Shield to retain the general style of gear they had.
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Post by lucifer on Mar 13, 2017 20:11:12 GMT -5
I've never gotten why a guy who will never have to work against New Jack needs a bullet proof vest. Reigns' vest is one of the great mysteries in WWE. By all accounts, he is huge. They don't sell kid versions. And he's a face. So why does he need the vest? It was super cool when the Shield wore them, but now it doesn't add up. All I can think of is they don't want him to look like the third Uso brother. Tell ya what, now that the Usos have dropped the stupid day-glo paint, might make for a bad ass Samoan faction with their cousin. Might actually get Reigns some much needed heat too. Imagine them laying waste to Undertaker at 'Mania? That could be HUGE!
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