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Post by Shon Maxx on Jun 7, 2009 4:04:12 GMT -5
Well that sux. That means guys like Gotch and Hack'll rip him to shreds. While I didn't think he'd be a main eventer for LOW, I thought his ling undefeated streak would merit him enough ahead of the LOTF like SABU is. I won't judge it till the set comes out; I'd just rather use him in my LOW fed than LOTF. I understand where you're coming from. At his level, though, I think he could have a match with Gotch and Hack, but he won't have an easy time. I disagree he should be on the same level as them, but he should be stronger than Sabu (but I haven't looked at Sabu in a while). Fair enough. I don't expect him to be at the top of LOW, but if he can have good matches with LOW wrestlers and hold his own, I'll be happy. At this point, with Danielson, Pesek, Roop, and OMG, the last 3 names could be jobbers for all I care (or Hulk Hogan, same difference). I'm ready for the set.
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Post by pride on Jun 7, 2009 8:55:16 GMT -5
with everyone complaining do it some where else.Hes in the game thats all i care about where i use Danialson is my own bezs.heck i tie in my Legends and Futures any way and had some one sided matchs in favor of Futures.lets just be glad we get guys willing to sign.because you know they could all had said no.
and another thing im sure we all used the bootleg here and there these most of them are the ones that said no.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jun 7, 2009 9:43:40 GMT -5
I'm happy we did the Legends of the Future sets because they have gotten me into the indy scene. These days I follow CHIKARA as closely as I do Raw and probably enjoy the shows even more. I appreciate ROH as well, and none of that would have happened if I hadn't been exposed to the characters through the game. There are some folks who buy Legends, but not LOTF because they aren't as familiar with those guys. Maybe by including Danielson in this set it will cause a couple folks to check out indy wrestling and enjoy wrestling presented in a differnt way from the E and perhaps enjoy the sport more.
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Post by marktaggart on Jun 7, 2009 10:18:57 GMT -5
Just to add to this, I don't see the need to see the LOTF guys as inferior and wonder if Danielson will be one of the inferior LOTF guys, or a "real" LOW card. When I've used Hero and Claudio with the LOW cards, they've easily held their own, as well they should. American Dragon should be no different. The Rahl rankings people go by to judge don't really tell you about the "intangibles" of a card. Move placement, mix of stats, flow of the card, and things like that are just as important as the black and white details of what is on the card.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 11:44:13 GMT -5
Just so I'm making sure I understand this all - People are mad that Bryan Danielson, currently arguably the most recognizable guy NOT with WWE or TNA, is headlining the same Legends set as One Man Gang?
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Post by j on Jun 7, 2009 12:26:29 GMT -5
Just so I'm making sure I understand this all - People are mad that Bryan Danielson, currently arguably the most recognizable guy NOT with WWE or TNA, is headlining the same Legends set as One Man Gang? I for one am excited to be getting Danielson, but I can understand some not being excited for Danielson headlining the set. It was already said his card will be strong for LotF guys but basically a midcard LOW guy. I would think someone headlining a set should be strong enough to compete for the World title on a regular basis. That being said, I believe it was Tim Dalton pointing out earlier (on page 6 of this thread), Danielson isn't necessarily the headliner. And seeing he is among the group who writes the cards he may have a little inside info on who else we are getting
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Post by Knapik on Jun 7, 2009 14:59:45 GMT -5
Just to add to this, I don't see the need to see the LOTF guys as inferior and wonder if Danielson will be one of the inferior LOTF guys, or a "real" LOW card. When I've used Hero and Claudio with the LOW cards, they've easily held their own, as well they should. American Dragon should be no different. The Rahl rankings people go by to judge don't really tell you about the "intangibles" of a card. Move placement, mix of stats, flow of the card, and things like that are just as important as the black and white details of what is on the card. Another nice post, Mark. I agree with it all.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jun 7, 2009 15:36:13 GMT -5
I almost never even look at any ratings for the cards. It is preformance "in the ring" that allows me to form my opinions about cards. Arik Cannon might not have the highest rankings, but dang is he tough to beat about 85% of the time.
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Post by doublea on Jun 7, 2009 15:51:21 GMT -5
Just to add to this, I don't see the need to see the LOTF guys as inferior and wonder if Danielson will be one of the inferior LOTF guys, or a "real" LOW card. When I've used Hero and Claudio with the LOW cards, they've easily held their own, as well they should. American Dragon should be no different. The Rahl rankings people go by to judge don't really tell you about the "intangibles" of a card. Move placement, mix of stats, flow of the card, and things like that are just as important as the black and white details of what is on the card. Nice post Mark. I think guys like Hero, Danielson, etc really get a bum rap because today's wrestling is completely different than it was 25 years ago when guys like the Road Warriors, Hennig, Rude, Bundy, etc were making their mark. Just because they aren't in the WWE or even TNA doesn't necessarily mean they are less of a talent. I think, when making LOW and LOTF, you really have to judge and make adjustments for the era they are in.
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Post by tystates on Jun 7, 2009 17:21:34 GMT -5
It's not a matter of comparing ROH, CZW, IWA Mid South, Chikara etc. to the territories of the 80s. It's about trying to size up each wrestler as far as how they fit into the overall history of pro wrestling. Ask Tim to explain it. You have to look at the wrestling world as a whole, not just right now, but for all-time, and try to make the card reflect where that person should fit. It's hard to do. So it's not about Danielson being the best wrestler in the world today, or the best Indy wrestler.
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