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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 17:25:29 GMT -5
I've noticed that sometimes cards seem to be stat-ed with outdated information. Or the stats are done without consideration for the set the card is in. IMO they should represent the wrestler as they are in the promotion the set is for. I can only speak from my experience, but I tried to base them on as current footage as possible from wherever I could in terms of movesets. I actually had to watch guys like QT Marshall, Dijak, TD Thomas, etc. to get the movesets. None of those dudes had a Wikipedia page or a Top 10 Moves video or anything like that and generally speaking those aren't great resources for movesets unless you're doing a historical card because movesets change a lot. For some guys (Dick Justice namely) it was harder because a lot of the footage I found didn't give me enough to really put together a good card. The stats themselves I based on their standings in whatever company they were for and then whatever happened in editing was out of my hands but the moves/general placement of everything was as accurate as it could have possibly been at that time. It's a lot easier now to find current footage and information on indie wrestlers, way easier than even a year ago. |
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Post by aceldamas on Dec 29, 2016 17:38:51 GMT -5
I've noticed that sometimes cards seem to be stat-ed with outdated information. Or the stats are done without consideration for the set the card is in. IMO they should represent the wrestler as they are in the promotion the set is for. I can only speak from my experience, but I tried to base them on as current footage as possible from wherever I could in terms of movesets. I actually had to watch guys like QT Marshall, Dijak, TD Thomas, etc. to get the movesets. None of those dudes had a Wikipedia page or a Top 10 Moves video or anything like that and generally speaking those aren't great resources for movesets unless you're doing a historical card because movesets change a lot. For some guys (Dick Justice namely) it was harder because a lot of the footage I found didn't give me enough to really put together a good card. The stats themselves I based on their standings in whatever company they were for and then whatever happened in editing was out of my hands but the moves/general placement of everything was as accurate as it could have possibly been at that time. It's a lot easier now to find current footage and information on indie wrestlers, way easier than even a year ago. I understand completely. But in this case, Taeler has been in ROH using that move for over six months now (maybe closer to a year). So my guess is she wasn't written referencing her ROH matches. It just seems to me like maybe she was put in the ROH set while maybe being written for SHIMMER? In which case, I feel she should have been updated or saved for a SHIMMER set. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 17:46:33 GMT -5
I can only speak from my experience, but I tried to base them on as current footage as possible from wherever I could in terms of movesets. I actually had to watch guys like QT Marshall, Dijak, TD Thomas, etc. to get the movesets. None of those dudes had a Wikipedia page or a Top 10 Moves video or anything like that and generally speaking those aren't great resources for movesets unless you're doing a historical card because movesets change a lot. For some guys (Dick Justice namely) it was harder because a lot of the footage I found didn't give me enough to really put together a good card. The stats themselves I based on their standings in whatever company they were for and then whatever happened in editing was out of my hands but the moves/general placement of everything was as accurate as it could have possibly been at that time. It's a lot easier now to find current footage and information on indie wrestlers, way easier than even a year ago. I understand completely. But in this case, Taeler has been in ROH using that move for over six months now (maybe closer to a year). So my guess is she wasn't written referencing her ROH matches. It just seems to me like maybe she was put in the ROH set while maybe being written for SHIMMER? In which case, I feel she should have been updated or saved for a SHIMMER set. I wouldn't know to be completely honest with you (I haven't really done anything since the sets last year with the Bucks/Kingdom remakes), but I don't think Ty statted her for a Shimmer set given that she recently debuted in Shimmer. |
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Post by aceldamas on Dec 29, 2016 18:01:58 GMT -5
I understand completely. But in this case, Taeler has been in ROH using that move for over six months now (maybe closer to a year). So my guess is she wasn't written referencing her ROH matches. It just seems to me like maybe she was put in the ROH set while maybe being written for SHIMMER? In which case, I feel she should have been updated or saved for a SHIMMER set. I wouldn't know to be completely honest with you (I haven't really done anything since the sets last year with the Bucks/Kingdom remakes), but I don't think Ty statted her for a Shimmer set given that she recently debuted in Shimmer. I'm out of touch with SHIMMER so I couldn't say. Not trying to be too critical. Just my OCD kicking in. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 18:03:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't know to be completely honest with you (I haven't really done anything since the sets last year with the Bucks/Kingdom remakes), but I don't think Ty statted her for a Shimmer set given that she recently debuted in Shimmer. I'm out of touch with SHIMMER so I couldn't say. Not trying to be too critical. Just my OCD kicking in. Hey it's alright. You can watch her SHIMMER debut on DVD when they release it in 2021! |
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Post by TTX on Dec 29, 2016 18:50:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the difference doing Chikara was night and day. When I did the early ones, I was scouring even wrestling reviews to get movesets. And Vin Gerard was a total pain because every match I found was "Attempt STF" or "STF" With Chikaratopia it was way easier.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 18:55:08 GMT -5
Yeah, the difference doing Chikara was night and day. When I did the early ones, I was scouring even wrestling reviews to get movesets. And Vin Gerard was a total pain because every match I found was "Attempt STF" or "STF" With Chikaratopia it was way easier. I'm glad someone else knows the struggle of the pre-YouTube free match/internet streaming service days. It was downright brutal statting that Future of Honor set because of how little was out there for guys like TD and Marshall. Even ACH didn't have a ton of readily available footage. Now you can just pay $9 or whatever and have everything right there which I'd imagine, like you said in regards to Chikaratopia, makes things a lot easier. |
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Post by ROH fan on Dec 30, 2016 14:38:24 GMT -5
Thanks Vegas for the info on Ferrara and Martinez. As far as the difference in Kiss Goodnight moves, all we have to do is use the tombstone as the finisher and substitute roundhouse kick-or another move--for the listed piledriver. Or we can say that she uses the tombstone without the kiss of death to set up the finisher tombstone with the kiss of death.
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