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Post by pikemojo on Jan 8, 2018 23:06:38 GMT -5
From what I have seen and heard, WWE's earnings are very high right now but their fanbase / attendance seems to have shrunk. It seems that less people are tuning in but those that do are spending more money. Indy wrestling and NJPW are where the wrestling boom is happening right now. More people than ever before have realized that pro wrestling is more than just WWE.
Personally I enjoy some of the humorous stuff but I get the most entertainment out of a wrestling program with a semi-coherent story that takes itself seriously... at least seriously for pro wrestling. I am not really a fan of a super silly match happening on the same show as serious matches and storytelling.
As for Cornette, like others, I enjoy listening to him talk about old school wrestling but his take on modern wrestling and politics are fairly off. I already have a dad, father-in-law and grandfather-in-law. I don't need to listen to a podcast to hear a grumpy old man rant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:14:13 GMT -5
"WWE wasn't getting the viewers it gets". WWE was hitting a 4 for RAW on the regular back in 2007, they don't come close to that anymore. It's not just 'oh well people watch stuff online', people have moved away from that product and a lot have moved away from wrestling in general. In 2007 TNA were hitting a 1, sometimes over that and were able to draw four figure crowds on the road. In terms of major promotions, again, ROH is literally the only one in a better spot now in terms of viewership and attendance. re: PWG - it's not drawing bigger crowds than it was in recent years because they're literally drawing the same (or in one notable recent case when a show didn't sell out in advance, less) than they have been since the Reseda sellout era began in like 2011. From the AIW shows I've seen, there don't appear to be a huge number of extra fans for their shows compared to 2015-2016. AAW are probably the one of the four promotions you named that have had the greatest growth. Beyond are doing well but I'm not sure I buy that they're way up from two years ago. Also Chikara isn't getting the big crowds because they've pretty much cooled off their product as much as you possibly can. Compare the buzz around Chikara in 2011-2012 to now. You very seldom see anyone talking about Chikara anymore. That stupid year long shutdown angle damaged them long term. re: Mexico - It's down big time compared to 2009, which was down from the 2006-2007 boom. re: Japan - Dragon Gate are actually doing really good right now. DDT drew 10k to Saitama Super Arena's smaller configuration and they work pretty closely with Samurai TV so I don't know that I'd call them a 'fringe' company. As for being in a "new Renaissance of wrestling territories", you're gonna need to define that one for me because I don't recall Crockett, Mid South, World Class and the AWA using mostly the same talent and matchups as one another. I really don't get "Pro Wrestling Tees is the new NWA" either, so you're gonna need to explain that one to me too. EDIT: should have tagged Tournament Master
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Post by DMKII: 'The Revenge' on Jan 8, 2018 23:15:54 GMT -5
All Japan from the first stuff that made tape in the 70s up until like 2003 or so is one of the best runs any promotion has ever had...maybe the best run. There's really nothing that comes close in terms of pure longevity and number of all-time great matches. For sure. I forget what year its from, but the 40 + minute marathon between Kobashi and Dr. Death in either 93 or 94 is one of the hardest hitting matches I've ever seen. Those two put it all on the line against one another in that one. The match moves at the perfect pace and builds to a whirlwind crescendo of head drops and near falls. Its awesome. It may even have been for the triple crown, not quite sure though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:16:47 GMT -5
All Japan from the first stuff that made tape in the 70s up until like 2003 or so is one of the best runs any promotion has ever had...maybe the best run. There's really nothing that comes close in terms of pure longevity and number of all-time great matches. For sure. I forget what year its from, , but the 40 + minute marathon between Kobashi and Dr. Death in either 93 or 94 is one of the hardest hitting matches I've ever seen. Those two put it all on the line against one another in that one. The match moves at the perfect pacer and builds to a whirlwind crescendo of head drops and near falls. Its awesome. It may even have been for the triple crown, not quite sure though. They had the super classic in 1993 and then a Triple Crown match in 1994 that was awesome but just beneath the 1993 match.
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Post by DMKII: 'The Revenge' on Jan 8, 2018 23:18:54 GMT -5
For sure. I forget what year its from, , but the 40 + minute marathon between Kobashi and Dr. Death in either 93 or 94 is one of the hardest hitting matches I've ever seen. Those two put it all on the line against one another in that one. The match moves at the perfect pacer and builds to a whirlwind crescendo of head drops and near falls. Its awesome. It may even have been for the triple crown, not quite sure though. They had the super classic in 1993 and then a Triple Crown match in 1994 that was awesome but just beneath the 1993 match. Yeah, they had a few monster matches in the first half of the decade. Its his AJPW run with Gordy and Hansen that made me a Steve Williams fan. The guy was a BEAST.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:20:33 GMT -5
Personally I enjoy some of the humorous stuff but I get the most entertainment out of a wrestling program with a semi-coherent story that takes itself seriously... at least seriously for pro wrestling. I am not really a fan of a super silly match happening on the same show as serious matches and storytelling. I think doing super goofy stuff on a show that's mostly serious kind of undermines the serious stuff. As for Cornette, like others, I enjoy listening to him talk about old school wrestling but his take on modern wrestling and politics are fairly off. I already have a dad, father-in-law and grandfather-in-law. I don't need to listen to a podcast to hear a grumpy old man rant. His political rants are the worst. I like Corny a lot and I don't wanna hate too hard on him but I'd probably listen to more full podcasts if he'd just drop that stuff.
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Post by DMKII: 'The Revenge' on Jan 8, 2018 23:22:08 GMT -5
Baba was an incredible booker. He showed you could treat wrestling as a sport and that you could still do your storytelling through the actual matches through pacing and build and he had the young native talent and the experienced gaijin talent to realize his vision of 'The 4 Heavenly Pillars on the King's Road'.
A great era in pro-wrestling.
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Post by Pete on Jan 8, 2018 23:27:08 GMT -5
"The humorous story is told gravely; the teller does his best to conceal the fact that he even dimly suspects that there is anything funny about it." --Mark Twain
All kinds of hilarious stuff happened on Crockett TV and Memphis TV, but it never felt self-conscious. It never felt LOOK AT US, HOW WACKY WE ARE! It was smart guys being smartasses, or reacting in a funny way to a crazy situation. Twain's quote reflects something beaten into a beginning actor's heads: people in a comedy can't know that they're in a comedy.
Watching modern comedy spots in wrestling is mostly like watching the Stanford Marching Band. Tryhards who are endeavoring to be funny instead of letting the humor come naturally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:27:16 GMT -5
Baba was an incredible booker. He showed you could treat wrestling as a sport and that you could still do your storytelling through the actual matches through pacing and build and he had the young native talent and the experienced gaijin talent to realize his vision of 'The 4 Heavenly Pillars on the King's Road'. A great era in pro-wrestling. He was certainly a better booker than Misawa was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:27:47 GMT -5
"The humorous story is told gravely; the teller does his best to conceal the fact that he even dimly suspects that there is anything funny about it." --Mark Twain All kinds of hilarious stuff happened on Crockett TV and Memphis TV, but it never felt self-conscious. It never felt LOOK AT US, HOW WACKY WE ARE! It was smart guys being smartasses, or reacting in a funny way to a crazy situation. Twain's quote reflects something beaten into a beginning actor's heads: people in a comedy can't know that they're in a comedy.Watching modern comedy spots in wrestling is mostly like watching the Stanford Marching Band. Tryhards who are endeavoring to be funny instead of letting the humor come naturally. Preach it, brother.
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