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Post by lastarza on Aug 18, 2019 13:04:44 GMT -5
I read somewhere on the forums here (can't find it again) that there is an issue with Tag Team wrestlers being too strong in singles matches because of re-rolling when rolling a tag move or something like that.
Does anyone know about this? What exactly is the issue? And what is the solution?
Thanks!
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Post by TTX on Aug 18, 2019 13:45:55 GMT -5
so the thought is that tag wrestlers are stronger because they might get a finisher on a roll of 1-5 or 1-4 instead of 1-6. Having run multiple tag wrestlers (most of whom had a singles run at some point like Condrey, Eaton, Blair and the Road Warriors) I don't think it's really that necessary. The proposed rule that they have to drop a level of offense doesn't work well since they started adding tag moves on level 1 (so if they roll it, do they go on defense?) as well as guys like the Fantastics who have tag moves on non level 3 moves. Just go with what feels right. I doubt any of them are going to be holding your world title for multiple years.
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Post by pikemojo on Aug 18, 2019 15:08:49 GMT -5
I think mathematically there's a small advantage on level 3, like Troy explained, but they are usually weaker in a number of other areas that more than make up for it.
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Post by Cory Olson on Aug 18, 2019 16:16:18 GMT -5
After a few years of LOW sets, it seemed like a few guys who were better tag team wrestlers in real life were doing too well in singles against guys who were bigger stars. Bobby Eaton's original B&W card comes to mind. For me personally, Johnny Valiant's original card was too tough., as he got wins over The Destroyer and Sabu. If you look at Johnny's B&W card, he had a "3" tag move and a tag finisher on Level 3 Offense. Take those two moves out, and he has a one out of four chance of hitting his singles finisher, as opposed to one out of six. The promoter who went by the board name "Havoc" (Forgive me for forgetting his real name!) suggested the rule that Troy described so that a tag team guy wouldn't be too strong in singles, especially on Level 3 Offense. I have used the rule ever since it was mentioned in one of the LOW sets (I think it was Legends Partners.) and I think it works well. Tag team guys are competitive but not too dominant or beating guys they shouldn't. You will still get the big upsets, as that's how the dice work.  The proposed rule that they have to drop a level of offense doesn't work well since they started adding tag moves on level 1 (so if they roll it, do they go on defense?) as well as guys like the Fantastics who have tag moves on non level 3 moves. With tag moves on Level 1, you just reroll on Level 1 Offense. |
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Post by lastarza on Aug 18, 2019 17:00:17 GMT -5
After a few years of LOW sets, it seemed like a few guys who were better tag team wrestlers in real life were doing too well in singles against guys who were bigger stars. Bobby Eaton's original B&W card comes to mind. For me personally, Johnny Valiant's original card was too tough., as he got wins over The Destroyer and Sabu. If you look at Johnny's B&W card, he had a "3" tag move and a tag finisher on Level 3 Offense. Take those two moves out, and he has a one out of four chance of hitting his singles finisher, as opposed to one out of six. The promoter who went by the board name "Havoc" (Forgive me for forgetting his real name!) suggested the rule that Troy described so that a tag team guy wouldn't be too strong in singles, especially on Level 3 Offense. I have used the rule ever since it was mentioned in one of the LOW sets (I think it was Legends Partners.) and I think it works well. Tag team guys are competitive but not too dominant or beating guys they shouldn't. You will still get the big upsets, as that's how the dice work. The proposed rule that they have to drop a level of offense doesn't work well since they started adding tag moves on level 1 (so if they roll it, do they go on defense?) as well as guys like the Fantastics who have tag moves on non level 3 moves. With tag moves on Level 1, you just reroll on Level 1 Offense. So, to make sure I understand: When using a tag team wrestler in a singles match, you re-roll on a lower level offense if you roll a tag move? If I don't have this right, please explain exactly how to do it. What if the opponent, who is a singles wrestler, rolls a tag move? Do you Do the same for them? Or do you just use them normally? And this may be a dumb question...But how do you determine for sure that a wrestler is a tag team wrestler? Do you just go by historical knowledge of the wrestler? Or is it a certain number of tag moves on the card? I think I'll probably be able to tell just because I know a lot about how each of the wrestlers were used historically... But just want to be sure. Sorry about all the questions. I guess I'm just hung up on doing things exactly the right way so I can be certain about the outcomes of my matches. I don't want to be thinking, "I hope I'm doing this right." |
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Post by TTX on Aug 18, 2019 17:16:14 GMT -5
Tag wrestlers are wrestlers who have tag moves on offense like the Road Warriors, Sheepherders and Fantastics for example.
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Post by Cory Olson on Aug 18, 2019 17:52:24 GMT -5
Tag wrestlers are wrestlers who have tag moves on offense like the Road Warriors, Sheepherders and Fantastics for example. Yes, good example, Troy. Lastarza, if you have the first LOW color expansion set, look at Bobby Eaton's card. If he's wrestling in a singles match, you would reroll for the moves on Level 2 Offense #6 and Level 3 Offense #6 because these are double team maneuvers and it wouldn't make sense to do them in a singles match. It doesn't matter Eaton's real-life ability or push but just on what type of match you are doing. If you look at Stan Lane's card from the same set, he would reroll on the same numbers. Other wrestlers, like Justin Credible in the most recent set, have a substitute move for singles or tags. (See his superkick on Level 2 Offense #6.) The reroll option occurs when a wrestler doesn't have a substitute move listed on the bottom of the card, like the guys I mentioned above. Hope that helps. |
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Post by lastarza on Aug 18, 2019 17:53:20 GMT -5
Tag wrestlers are wrestlers who have tag moves on offense like the Road Warriors, Sheepherders and Fantastics for example. Don't some singles wrestlers also have some tag moves on offense too... just not as many? I may be completely wrong about that. (I'm in the hospital right now, so I don't have access to my cards to answer that question myself.) Was my summary of how the optional rule works correct in my previous post? Once again, thank you so much for all the help. Everyone who has responded... Thank you. You have been incredibly patient and generous with your time in answering my questions! |
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Post by lastarza on Aug 18, 2019 17:56:36 GMT -5
Tag wrestlers are wrestlers who have tag moves on offense like the Road Warriors, Sheepherders and Fantastics for example. Yes, good example, Troy. Lastarza, if you have the first LOW color expansion set, look at Bobby Eaton's card. If he's wrestling in a singles match, you would reroll for the moves on Level 2 Offense #6 and Level 3 Offense #6 because these are double team maneuvers and it wouldn't make sense to do them in a singles match. It doesn't matter Eaton's real-life ability or push but just on what type of match you are doing. If you look at Stan Lane's card from the same set, he would reroll on the same numbers. Other wrestlers, like Justin Credible in the most recent set, have a substitute move for singles or tags. (See his superkick on Level 2 Offense #6.) The reroll option occurs when a wrestler doesn't have a substitute move listed on the bottom of the card, like the guys I mentioned above. Hope that helps. Cory, it helps tremendously! I didn't see this response yet when I typed my last post... so I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge your very helpful examples. Thanks again! |
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Post by Cory Olson on Aug 18, 2019 17:58:35 GMT -5
Yes, good example, Troy. Lastarza, if you have the first LOW color expansion set, look at Bobby Eaton's card. If he's wrestling in a singles match, you would reroll for the moves on Level 2 Offense #6 and Level 3 Offense #6 because these are double team maneuvers and it wouldn't make sense to do them in a singles match. It doesn't matter Eaton's real-life ability or push but just on what type of match you are doing. If you look at Stan Lane's card from the same set, he would reroll on the same numbers. Other wrestlers, like Justin Credible in the most recent set, have a substitute move for singles or tags. (See his superkick on Level 2 Offense #6.) The reroll option occurs when a wrestler doesn't have a substitute move listed on the bottom of the card, like the guys I mentioned above. Hope that helps. Cory, it helps tremendously! I didn't see this response yet when I typed my last post... so I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge your very helpful examples. Thanks again! Happy to help! Let me know if you have more questions. Hope you feel better! |
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