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Post by Slymm on May 12, 2020 17:57:47 GMT -5
So, normally for any No DQ type match I use a wrestler's Cage rating.
I just ran a Triple Threat Match which is No DQ, and it included Trish Stratus whose Cage rating is 4 as opposed to her 5 (2) Pin Rating. It definitely hindered her and made me rethink which matches I should be using Cage ratings in.
Maybe just Hardcore type matches like Cage (obv), Ladder, Barbed Wire etc... basically anything where a weapon is prominent. Then using Pin ratings for the others like Triple Threat, regular No DQ and the like.
Thoughts?
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Post by TTX on May 12, 2020 18:00:07 GMT -5
I use cage ratings in any hardcore style match.
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Post by Vegas on May 12, 2020 18:18:50 GMT -5
up to the individual promoter, but I personally do not use cage ratings just for a no DQ match so I do not use cage ratings for a triple threat
usually I need a hardcore stipulation such as ladder, no ropes barbed wire, panes of glass, light tubes, or (of course cage) to go to cage ratings
for example I have a hardcore brand in my LOW fed called the EAWA where all the matches are no DQ and no countout, but I use the regular PIN ratings for most of the matches there unless there is a special hardcore stipulation attached
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 18:56:29 GMT -5
I use Cage Ratings in any match where the objective is not to pin your opponent. So, steel cage matches (obviously), but also Battle Royals (Or should that be Battles Royal?), Coffin Matches, Last Man Standing Matches, any Chain/Strap Matches where you have to drag your opponent around and touch all four corners...like that.
I also use Cage Ratings in lieu of PIN Ratings when a wrestler is in a submission hold. It has really spiced up my games and makes someone like Monad (who was the reason I instituted that rule) a real beast.
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Post by Swarm on May 12, 2020 21:10:05 GMT -5
I use cage ratings in all special matches. I treat it like a PIN rating for just about anything outside of a normal match.
That’s really interesting about using it for submission moves. Do you find that is a big disadvantage for wrestlers with submission finishers or no?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 22:25:50 GMT -5
I use cage ratings in all special matches. I treat it like a PIN rating for just about anything outside of a normal match. That’s really interesting about using it for submission moves. Do you find that is a big disadvantage for wrestlers with submission finishers or no? I wouldn’t really call it an advantage or a disadvantage one way or another. Increasingly, wrestlers have less and less variation between their Cage and PIN Ratings, at least that’s how it seems. A semi-random sample of guys from my indie fed shows me that Mil Muertes has a 1/1. Sonny Kiss has a 4/6, so he is more easy to tap out than to pin. Christopher Daniels is a 3/2 and Frankie Kazarian is a 4/3, which makes sense for those guys as they have lots of experience and ring IQ (especially Daniels, who they called the Ring General before Walther was even wrestling, I think). Sometimes you get an outlier, like Tracy Williams is a 2/4, so he submits more readily than he gets pinned, which doesn’t seem right, but what can you do? Looking over some more indie guys, it seems like the majority of wrestlers either have equal Cage and PIN ratings (so no advantage for the submission Finisher), or they have Cage Ratings that are higher (worse) by one, which is a slight advantage for the submission Finisher. Every now and again, you get a guy like Biff Busick who is a 4/3, but that makes sense for him as he is a tough guy and wouldn’t give up that much. I suppose, now that I’ve looked at it semi-scientifically, it does make guys with submission finishers a hair more effective,
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Post by ajcostello on May 12, 2020 23:15:09 GMT -5
I only use Cage Ratings in hardcore matches with a hardcore element to them, as my esteemed colleague Vegas has previously stated.
Maybe I'm not overly creative or whatever but I don't normally use a lot of stipulation matches in the first place so it's not really relevant for mt feds.
Not very much of a contribution to the thread but I'm awake at this hour so I thought I'd type something rather than just sit here staring at the screen.
Haha.
It's an interesting idea to use it for submissions, though.
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Post by TTX on May 13, 2020 5:34:48 GMT -5
I know in the cards I've done I rarely move the cage more than one higher or lower (of course it's never supposed to be more than two anyways) simply due to the lack of special matches in most ones I do.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 6:31:58 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea to use it for submissions, though. Thanks. Like I said, I got the idea looking at Monad, who had a 9 (6) PIN Rating due to his four shoulders (7 (4) in a CPC ring), but a 2 Cage Rating. It didn’t make sense to me that his four arms would be a hindrance if he was in, say, a Boston Crab. Besides, lower Cage Ratings are generally a reflection of big, tough wrestlers who I think would be less likely to submit to a simple submission maneuver anyway (+5 magical claw holds notwithstanding).
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Post by LAWraith on May 13, 2020 9:07:10 GMT -5
Hmm, good topic, I use it for cage and battle royals. Someone brought it up the last Galacticon I went to about how they see the rating as in both cases you are trying to prevent someone from leaving the ring in a cage or prevent yourself from leaving the ring in a battle royal. So they used it for both and I have done the same as well.
It is a valid point for submissions and special matches from what I'm reading here as it's kind of a toughness or that "intestinal fortitude" one might tap into during a not so normal match.
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