Pegasus
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Post by Pegasus on May 18, 2020 1:33:21 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
I'm A returning COTG player and my favorite Legend of all time is Bob Backlund. I suspect that back when I last played (1990 ish to COTG 2107 era) The Backlund card I made was vastly overpowered. Coming back to the game and visiting these boards and seeing how proper card construction is done, I came up with what I feel is a fair representation of Bob in his prime (circa 1979 - 1982). The Rahl rating totals 48 (unless I made a mistake), which I feel is a fair rating based on his having held the WWWF/WWF belt for nearly 6 years (minus a week where he dropped it to Antonio Inoki in Japan). Any criticism, or analysis would be appreciated as I've tweaked this a number of times over the last few weeks. Please excuse the formatting, copying and pasting this wasn't as smooth as I thought it would be.
BOB BACKLUND
1. leg sweep - 1 1. dazed - 1
2. headlock takeover - 1 2. BACKLUND - 1
3. into the ropes 3. BACKLUND - 1
4. big body slam - 2 (pw) 4. BACKLUND - 2
5. hip toss - 2 (ag) 5. dazed - 1
6. abdominal stretch - 2 (ch E 6. dazed - 1
1. face twister - 2 1. hurt - 2
2. into the turnbuckle (c) 2. hurt - 2
3. drop kick - 2 3. dazed - 1 (tag)
4. stalling suplex - 3 4. BACKLUND - 2
5. piledriver - 3 5. BACKLUND - 1
6. butterfly suplex - 3 6. hurt - 2
1. inside cradle - 2 (ch G) 1. down - 3 (lv)
2. out of the ring (c) 2. hurt - 2
3. german suplex - 3 3. hurt - 2
4. Atomic Spinebuster - 3 Add1 4. hurt - 2
5. BACKLUND BRIDGE (0) 5. down - 3
6. CROSSSFACE CHICKENWING (+3) 6. PIN 4 (1)
Ropes A Agility -1
Turnbuckle A Power -3
Ring B Cage 2
Deathjump A
Disqualification 4
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Post by Pegasus on May 22, 2020 3:59:02 GMT -5
Here's another attempt after reviewing TDaltons Backlund stats for his WWWF 1977 series. I shuffled some moves around, renamed some others. TDaltons 1977 Backlund basically served as a template for my 1982 version which I feel is when Backlund was in his prime. I would certainly appreciate any feedback
BOB BACKLUND 1982 1. arm drag - 1 1. BACKLUND - 2 2. headlock takeover - 1 2. dazed - 1 3. into the ropes 3. BACKLUND - 1 4. hip toss - 2 4. hurt - 2 5. hammmerlock - 2 (pw) 5. dazed - 1 (tag) 6. abdominal stretch - 3 (ag) 6. BACKLUND - 2
1. windup forearm - 2 1. dazed - 1 2. into the turnbuckle (c) 2. BACKLUND - 1 3. drop kick - 2 3. hurt - 2 4. stalling suplex - 2 (ch C) 4. BACKLUND - 2 5. piledriver - 3 5. dazed - 1 6. butterfly suplex - 3 6. hurt - 2
1. one arm Gotch lift - 2(ch G) 1. down - 3 (lv) 2. out of the ring (c) 2. hurt - 2 3. german suplex - 3 3. hurt - 2 4. Atomic Spinebuster - 3 4. hurt - 2 5. BACKLUND BRIDGE (0) 5. down - 3 6. CROSSSFACE CHICKENWING (+3) 6. PIN 4 (1)
Ropes A Agility -1 Turnbuckle A Power -3 Ring A Cage 2 Deathjump B Disqualification 4
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Post by vanity1979 on May 22, 2020 5:56:36 GMT -5
Looks really good to me. He was always billed as being in great cardio condition in this era so the low pin rating makes sense.
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Post by TTX on May 22, 2020 6:14:06 GMT -5
ch G should be a -3 move.
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Post by Shane Sullivan on May 22, 2020 10:21:58 GMT -5
Looks great. I would think a ring rating of B would be more appropriate as I don't remember him brawling out side the ring all that often. Kind of goes with the low DQ rating which I like.
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Post by Vegas on May 22, 2020 12:24:54 GMT -5
I think overall it looks good.
In addition to the previously mentioned need to make the one-arm Gotch lift -3 (ch G) instead of 2-(ch G) and changing the ring rating from A to B (put perhaps then making the Deathjump rating an A instead of a B,) I would adjust his power and agility. -3 is too strong for Backlund who weighed in the 230slbs-240slbs range. Even -2 for LOW is alot for someone of Backlund's weight range but I could see an argument for -2. Perhaps to compensate for the change in power, perhaps then adjust his agility to -2? Overall I like this card though.
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Post by Pegasus on May 22, 2020 23:42:33 GMT -5
I think overall it looks good. In addition to the previously mentioned need to make the one-arm Gotch lift -3 (ch G) instead of 2-(ch G) and changing the ring rating from A to B (put perhaps then making the Deathjump rating an A instead of a B,) I would adjust his power and agility. -3 is too strong for Backlund who weighed in the 230slbs-240slbs range. Even -2 for LOW is alot for someone of Backlund's weight range but I could see an argument for -2. Perhaps to compensate for the change in power, perhaps then adjust his agility to -2? Overall I like this card though. Thank you everyone for the constructive feedback, I appreciate it. Vegas, I switched a few moves around and slotted stalling suplex - 3 in the place of Gotch lift - 2. The reason for this, and the reason I didn't have that move on his initial card was that Backlund never used the move as an offensive maneuver. He would deadliift a guy out of a short arm scissors then rest him on the top turnbuckle, and from the many, many Backlund matches I have, some of the time his opponent, would kick or punch backlund once on the turnbuckle. It was more a strength move designed to impress the crowd than a legit offensive or defensive move. For now I feel it's more accurate to leave Backlunds strength at -3 due to a couple of factors. I don't know how much you know about Backlund, but in nearly every shoot interview where his name comes up, nearly without exception, it's mentioned how exceptionally strong he was. And not just strong for his size, but legit, one of the strongest wrestlers ever. I just saw an interview with Bob Orton Jr. Where he said Backlund was the strongest wrestler he was ever in the ring with. Backlund himself mentioned in his book that he was stronger than Hogan (they used to train together during Hogans first go round with the WWF. Even if that is just Backlund crapping on Hogan, based on what others have said about Backlunds legit strength, I'm willing to believe it. That leads me to reason 2. TDaltons terrific WWF series. He has Both Hogan and Graham at -4. So if in kayfabe, Hogan and Graham arre stronger than Backlund (I'd believe it about Hogan before Graham) then I'll split the difference and rate Backlund at a -3. I did also change his ring rating back to B. He did more out of the ring brawling then you'd think. EDIT: I got the Bob Orton quote wrong. He said "pound for pound I haven't met a stronger human being"
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Post by Pegasus on May 23, 2020 0:42:00 GMT -5
Here's try #3...third times the charm right? :-) Changing the level 3 1. move to a -3 will bump up this Rahl, but since I use only advanced rules, it's insignificant since the move is really there for a potential deathjump option.
BOB BACKLUND 1982
1. arm drag - 1 1. BACKLUND - 2
2. headlock takeover - 1 2. dazed - 1
3. into the ropes 3. BACKLUND - 1
4. hip toss - 2 4. hurt - 2
5. hammmerlock - 2 (pw) 5. dazed - 1 (tag)
6. abdominal stretch - 3 (ag) 6. BACKLUND - 2
1. one arm Gotch lift - 2 1. dazed - 1
2. into the turnbuckle (c) 2. BACKLUND - 1
3. drop kick - 2 3. hurt - 2
4. wind up forearm - 2 (ch C) 4. BACKLUND - 2
5. piledriver - 3 5. dazed - 1
6. butterfly suplex - 3 6. hurt - 2
1. stalling suplex - 3 (ch G) 1. down - 3 (lv)
2. out of the ring (c) 2. hurt - 2
3. german suplex - 3 3. hurt - 2
4. Atomic Spinebuster - 3 4. hurt - 2
5. BACKLUND BRIDGE (0) 5. down - 3
6. CROSSSFACE CHICKENWING (+3) 6. PIN 4 (1)
Ropes A Agility -1
Turnbuckle A Power -3
Ring B Cage 2
Deathjump A
Disqualification 4
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Post by Vegas on May 23, 2020 1:35:56 GMT -5
I think overall it looks good. In addition to the previously mentioned need to make the one-arm Gotch lift -3 (ch G) instead of 2-(ch G) and changing the ring rating from A to B (put perhaps then making the Deathjump rating an A instead of a B,) I would adjust his power and agility. -3 is too strong for Backlund who weighed in the 230slbs-240slbs range. Even -2 for LOW is alot for someone of Backlund's weight range but I could see an argument for -2. Perhaps to compensate for the change in power, perhaps then adjust his agility to -2? Overall I like this card though. Thank you everyone for the constructive feedback, I appreciate it. Vegas, I switched a few moves around and slotted stalling suplex - 3 in the place of Gotch lift - 2. The reason for this, and the reason I didn't have that move on his initial card was that Backlund never used the move as an offensive maneuver. He would deadliift a guy out of a short arm scissors then rest him on the top turnbuckle, and from the many, many Backlund matches I have, some of the time his opponent, would kick or punch backlund once on the turnbuckle. It was more a strength move designed to impress the crowd than a legit offensive or defensive move. For now I feel it's more accurate to leave Backlunds strength at -3 due to a couple of factors. I don't know how much you know about Backlund, but in nearly every shoot interview where his name comes up, nearly without exception, it's mentioned how exceptionally strong he was. And not just strong for his size, but legit, one of the strongest wrestlers ever. I just saw an interview with Bob Orton Jr. Where he said Backlund was the strongest wrestler he was ever in the ring with. Backlund himself mentioned in his book that he was stronger than Hogan (they used to train together during Hogans first go round with the WWF. Even if that is just Backlund crapping on Hogan, based on what others have said about Backlunds legit strength, I'm willing to believe it. That leads me to reason 2. TDaltons terrific WWF series. He has Both Hogan and Graham at -4. So if in kayfabe, Hogan and Graham arre stronger than Backlund (I'd believe it about Hogan before Graham) then I'll split the difference and rate Backlund at a -3. I did also change his ring rating back to B. He did more out of the ring brawling then you'd think. EDIT: I got the Bob Orton quote wrong. He said "pound for pound I haven't met a stronger human being" I was just giving my 2 cents as you asked for feedback, you undoubtedly know more about Backlund than me But I am just trying to say, based on the power ratings for the official LOW cards, I do think -3 power is too high for Bob Backlund as no male wrestler with an official LOW color card of his size even has -2 power let alone -3 power. I agree with you that he was really strong for his size, so I would say -2 and that again would still be a LOW record. But it is your card and you should stat him as you want.
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Post by Pegasus on May 23, 2020 2:35:12 GMT -5
EDIT: I got the Bob Orton quote wrong. He said "pound for pound I haven't met a stronger human being" lol, you undoubtedly know more about Backlund than me, you asked for feedback so I was only offering my 2 cents and I am cool if it is disregarded. But just based on the power ratings for the official LOW cards, I do think -3 power is too high for Bob Backlund as no male wrestler with an official LOW color card of his size even has -2 power let alone -3 power. I agree with you that he was really strong for his size, so I would say -2 and that again would still be a LOW record. But it is your card and you should stat him as you want. Please Vegas, Don't take any offense. I really do appreciate your feedback. I only play COTG. I have the LOW set with Shane Douglas since I like Shane and may use him in some hardcore matches on Kronos. I also only use Backlund on Kronos matches. With the 1977 WWWF series that is still in progress, I will probably roll some matches using those cards. Again, I wasn't trying to shoot you down or anything. I'm going to have a few matches with my latest version of Backlund, and depending on how he does, I will likely still tinker with it. Thanks again for the feedback :-)
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