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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2020 10:57:59 GMT -5
It made sense to me, it just wasn’t always executed properly. Battering your opponent into a bloody mess and leaving them lying in the middle of the ring as you exit the cage is the ultimate victory, Having pins in a cage match means you can win what is supposed to be a brutal fight with a roll up or some other kind of flukey pin. Where WWF went wrong but having everyone climb over the cage for dramatics. I hear what you're saying, but then make it a "Last man standing" type thing where the loser is the one who can't answer a 10 count or something... Otherwise, you could have a person just lunge for the door right as the bell sounds and win without any contact at all... (I mean, I realize it's scripted, but it just ruins the "suspension of disbelief" for me... I mean, why WOULDN'T you do that?) It goes back to what I said about booking. Don’t book a guy to do that. Instead make cage matches rare feud enders where one guy is left lying brutally beaten as the winner triumphantly exits the cage, like walking away from a fight you’ve just won. Similar to what you’re saying with a ten count but without actually doing a ten count. |
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2020 11:12:08 GMT -5
To answer the poll though, I always thought the fence cage looked better and more realistic than the blue cage, but I didn’t dislike the blue cage either. Loved the toy.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 4, 2020 13:39:43 GMT -5
It made sense to me, it just wasn’t always executed properly. Battering your opponent into a bloody mess and leaving them lying in the middle of the ring as you exit the cage is the ultimate victory, Having pins in a cage match means you can win what is supposed to be a brutal fight with a roll up or some other kind of flukey pin. Where WWF went wrong but having everyone climb over the cage for dramatics. In my feds, I always have cage matches decided by pinfall or submission but I completely understand the logic behind winning by escaping the cage. To me it is sort of like the logic of a triple threat where you have two losers despite only one wrestler getting pinned or submitted because the other wrestler who did not win also lost since they were beaten to a point where they could not prevent the match from ending by making a pin save. And the escape rules also can some cool elements to the match that you do not get if you can only win by pin or submission. |
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Post by luke929 on Jun 4, 2020 14:02:55 GMT -5
Maybe a good way to do it would be to have the winner be the one to escape through the door of the cage, but the door is only opened after say 20 minutes of the match has elapsed. That would give a plausible reason why people wouldn't just rush to get out as soon as the match starts.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 4, 2020 15:09:05 GMT -5
As for the poll question itself, this was a tough one for me to decide.
I can understand why the fence steel cage is winning, but for personal nostalgic reasons I liked the blue steel cage too. The first cage match I ever watched (Hogan vs Bundy at Wrestlemania 2) was inside the blue cage. Was that also the first time the WWE used the blue cage?
Lots of cool memories involving the blue cage such as Hogan vs Orndorff on Saturday Night's Main Event, Hogan superplexing Big Bossman off the top of the cage, Ultimate Warrior vs Rick Rude, Bret vs Owen.
But for me what is even more important is the action that goes on inside the cage regardless of whether the cage is blue or a steel fence. There have been many good historical cage matches, but it seems like there just have not been many good cage matches lately.
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Post by Big Bri on Jun 11, 2020 13:47:34 GMT -5
I liked the blue cage just fine, but to me, the "NWA" chain-link cage looked a lot more menacing, and those NWA cage matches seemed so much more vicious.
Yes, I also recall Orndorff-Hogan and then Hogan superplexing Bossman off the top of the cage. Great stuff.
In my EC-era GWF, it was 1 year in before I had a Cosmic Cage Match. Then another year before the next one, and another year after that. Those matches were a big deal and they were all pin/submission rules.
However, when Commander Sam and Magnus started to feud, I wrote the story that Sam had escaped a Cygnus P.O.W. camp and Magnus was the head of security there, and was dismissed because of his mistake. Therefore, Magnus wanted revenge, and the normal Cosmic Cage Match became an "Escape The Cage" match instead! I thought Sam would win but Magnus actually won! In one way, this sucked because of the huge build-up and the match taking place in the good 'ol U.S.A.
That was actually the last card I was able to play, so now, I'm going to write Sam off due to injuries sustained in the match. He will return a humiliated man and have to somehow get his "mojo" back. He will (hopefully) get a few key wins and work his way back up to another match with Magnus, but this time the match will take place on Cygnus! It won;t be another cage match, but probably some other specialty match (loser has to burn their own flag or something like that). Ah, old school booking!
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Post by Tournament Master on Jun 11, 2020 14:29:10 GMT -5
Despite growing up with the blue cage and the escape rules, I do prefer the fence-like cage for the look. Funny that the steel cage was initially used as a way so that the opponents couldn't run away from the fight and the WWF eventually changed their rules that the way to win was to run away from the fight. LOL From what I hear is that it was changed to that because Sammartino and his opponent didn't want to be pinned, so this was the way to save face. As for preference of rules, I like the current WWF rule where you can escape or win by pinfall or submission. The escape the cage has resulted in some unique finishes in the past.
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Post by Chad Olson on Jun 11, 2020 14:57:54 GMT -5
As for the poll question itself, this was a tough one for me to decide. I can understand why the fence steel cage is winning, but for personal nostalgic reasons I liked the blue steel cage too. The first cage match I ever watched (Hogan vs Bundy at Wrestlemania 2) was inside the blue cage. Was that also the first time the WWE used the blue cage? From what I recall, the blue bar cage made its debut at WrestleMania 2. |
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Post by Swarm on Jun 11, 2020 15:23:27 GMT -5
As for the poll question itself, this was a tough one for me to decide. I can understand why the fence steel cage is winning, but for personal nostalgic reasons I liked the blue steel cage too. The first cage match I ever watched (Hogan vs Bundy at Wrestlemania 2) was inside the blue cage. Was that also the first time the WWE used the blue cage? From what I recall, the blue bar cage made its debut at WrestleMania 2. Little known fact: King Kong Bundy is responsible in kayfabe for the blue cage. Jesse Venture told the viewers at home, “This isn’t exactly a normal steel cage, usually it’s a cyclone fence but in the case of King Kong Bundy, he’s about 450 pounds, he needs a reinforced cage.” |
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Post by shawn on Jun 11, 2020 19:39:16 GMT -5
I liked the blue fence, it was easier to see and record through, so it was visually appealing to me. Apparently it was done away with because the wrestlers didn't like it because it didn't have much give and was punishing to work in.
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