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Post by Knapik on Mar 21, 2009 23:57:01 GMT -5
Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know I've finished almost the whole roster from '09. I haven't touched the women yet (though I have stats from a couple people), but I've only got Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder and maybe 1 or 2 others left. Let me know what you think! Looking back at the '07 set, I've come a long ways in my bootlegging haha. I'll re-do those someday.
Check out the link in my sig!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 1:08:06 GMT -5
"File access is currently unavailable. Please try again later. "
Guess I'm gonna have to wait a little bit to let you know.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 22, 2009 1:15:16 GMT -5
"File access is currently unavailable. Please try again later. " Guess I'm gonna have to wait a little bit to let you know. I actually got that exact same message tonight while trying to log into LOW Bootlegs. I wonder if Yahoo Groups is doing some maintenance or something right now. |
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Post by Knapik on Mar 22, 2009 2:14:37 GMT -5
"File access is currently unavailable. Please try again later. " Guess I'm gonna have to wait a little bit to let you know. I actually got that exact same message tonight while trying to log into LOW Bootlegs. I wonder if Yahoo Groups is doing some maintenance or something right now. Yeah they've had problems for days. I found that refreshing the pages a few times gets me where I want to go. |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 22, 2009 10:28:02 GMT -5
These look great Anivar!! Well done as always!
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 22, 2009 15:35:24 GMT -5
These look awesome, and really make me think hard about starting up a WWE fed after Wrestlemania in a few weeks. I do have some suggestions on tweaks to the cards, though. I don't know how much effort would be involved in changing the card information now, but you are welcome to use or dismiss any and all of the following suggestions.
RAW
Dolph Ziggler - Honestly, I think at least half of his Lvl 1 Off should be 'introduce himself'. OK maybe not half, but at least the first 1 and 2 slots
Shawn Michaels - I may have simply overlooked it but I didn't see his modified Figure 4 on the card.
John Cena - I'm a stickler for trying to come as close to the WWE style as possible, even if it risks 'unbalancing' the cards. As such, I think Cena could use an entire finisher overhaul (more like the UT's) in accordance to the frequency that the FU gets reversed, as well as the multiple variations on his finish that he uses. Here is my idea:
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*roll 1 die: 1-2 - REVERSAL!, Cena attempts the FU, but the opponent slips out and takes over on Lvl 3 Offense; 3 - THE FU! (+3); 4 - THE STFU! (+4); 5 - Cena performs THE FU and then immediatley transitions into THE STFU! (+5); 6 - Cena attempts the FU, but the opponent quickly fights out and takes over on Lvl 3 Offense!
I know that the FU and STFU are no longer used officially, but I feel that a finish mechanic like this would more accurately reflect all of the possibilities surrounding Cena's finishers. I don't know if it should be exactly as suggested here, but I think that a movement in this direction would be better.
SMACKDOWN
Big Show - the KO Punch he has been using for awhile doesn't seem to be on the card. I'd assume this would be a finisher, but I'm not sure. Perhaps if you did add it as a finisher, you could move the cobra clutch backbreaker down on notch and get rid of the bearhug on Lvl 3 altogether.
The Undertaker - Every once in awhile, HELL'S GATE comes from nowhere, even after someone's finisher. (last year's WM) So maybe when UT rolls 12 on when rolling his PIN, he surprise catches the opponent in HELL'S GATE
HHH - seems to have The Pedigree reversed sometimes. Maybe the opponent could use either his ag or pw (whichever one is better for the opponent) to somehow decide if he escapes The Pedigree. To keep the Pedigree build up mechanic in and still keep things smooth, the opponent could compare his pw or agility to the current rating of The Pedigree. If his attribute his higher, he escapes to Lvl 2 Off. If The Pedigree is equal or higher, it hits.
ECW
I know you said that you still have a few to do, so I was wondering if DJ Gabriel would eventually be included in here.
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I think that's it. Like I said feel free to use, modify, or dismiss any or all of these. I'm not sure if some of these were just oversights or already considered and pre-written off, But without any of the suggested modifications, the work done so far really makes me want to start up a WWE fed. Great job!
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Mar 22, 2009 18:58:27 GMT -5
I am working on a DJ Gabriel right now. I know it's not part of the WWE 2009 set on Creations, but the New Batch will have him eventually.
BUT, as for the cards they look outstanding and I really appreciate all the hard work.
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Post by Knapik on Mar 22, 2009 19:56:23 GMT -5
RAWShawn Michaels - I may have simply overlooked it but I didn't see his modified Figure 4 on the card. It's not on there (that I can recall). I'll look into it and see if it's used enough to replace something on the list. Good catch! Almost every finisher gets reversed. If you want to do that for every card it would be clunky (and I believe unnecessary). If Cena traps someone in the STF and doesn't win the match, one could assume the opponent escaped. I see what you're going for here, but I disagree with the inclusion of this sort of thing pretty heavily, not to mention just for Cena specifically. Cena should be just about the strongest card out there, and there's certainly no reason to hurt him so much that half the time he goes for a finisher the opponent takes over on Level 3 Offense. Yeah, I did the changes a while back, and the KO Punch definitely needs to be added. I'll make sure it's added before I go through and finish up everything before Wrestlemania. I honestly might have forgot this, so thanks for the heads up! Almost every finisher comes from out of nowhere sometimes. See the Cena comment. I see what you're going for, again, but The Undertaker already has a pretty full card without adding a third asterisk. As much as any other finisher, I think. Yeah... just need to take the time to watch his matches haha. I appreciate your input! Let me know if you start a fed, I'd love to see the results. |
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 22, 2009 23:59:31 GMT -5
You know what, when I typed up the finish chart for Cena I meant the 1-2 result to be a reversal to level 2 not 3. But, looking through the cards I was both surprised and impressed by the amount of finisher reversals, so I definitely see where you are coming from and still think that the set will do great justice to the finisher dynamic in the WWE right now. And even as I was typing the suggestion for UT up, I realized how many asterisks that would be. As a fan of as few asterisks as possible myself, I definitely agree with your assessments and I think you have got everything that is important about UT already. Good work! Now, so as not to appear to be a total nag ;D, these cards are great. I really enjoy the breadth of 'card level' shown here, in that not everyone is superman and not everyone is jobber joe stats wise. Likewise, I think it awesome that you took the time to flesh out the jobbers AND the main event guys, instead of just doing the big time players. In addition, I really like the diverse mechanics and the uniqueness of a lot of the cards. Orton and Kozlov come to mind first with really dynamic situations on their cards, that are not only exciting, but also further do justice to the actual character represented. I also have to commend you on Jericho and Edge. At first glance, they may appear a bit bland or even underpowered (similar to a glance at Avarice's card). But upon further inspection it becomes clear, especially in Jericho's case, that the lack of super-powered finishers and overly potent offense is wonderfully and subtly countered by good ropes, ring, corner and outside ratings along with good ag, pw, and a low PIN. Once again, this only serves to further represent the real man better as Jericho and Edge, undoubtedly fighting for the top heel spots along with Orton, have always been rather successful in the ring. Yet when you sit down and really try to think of exactly why, you realize there is no 'one' thing that makes them so good. They don't have an unbeatable finisher (HHH or UT) and they don't have overpowering offensive or defensive ability (Umaga or Khali). Instead they are simply well rounded and rely on many things to take them to the top. This seems very hard to capture sometimes within this game, and without even playing the cards yet, it appears you have been able to nail it successfully. Back when the first WWE set was completed, I thought long and hard on doing a WWE fed. But the right opportunity passed me by. Now, once again, with your hard work and thankfully awesome desire for detail and completion, you have me seriously mulling it over yet again. Perhaps right after the draft this year (as it is so close to WM) the boards will see a bootleg WWE fed spring up?  Time will tell. But for now, thank you for the awesome cards and the hard work! It is much appreciated and I can only hope that you keep it up in the future! |
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Post by Knapik on Mar 23, 2009 18:27:20 GMT -5
Well that's a lot of nice things you have to say! I appreciate the nice things too, haha. Maybe you can I could do a split fed? Like you do RAW and I do Smackdown/ECW or vice-versa. Or maybe a third person do ECW. Wouldn't that be fun?!
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Time will tell.