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Post by Pete on Oct 21, 2021 12:54:32 GMT -5
Also...the guy on that 2107 Ringside Companion isn't Paul Filsinger, is it? Blond hair notwithstanding I always thought it looked like him, and I want to say this was around the time Paul was appearing at GCon those couple of years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 15:34:14 GMT -5
Agreed! I always got a Paul Filsinger vibe from the cover as well.
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Post by Pariah on Oct 22, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't actually own any of the Ringside Companions, I really enjoyed this episode... For the most part, I tend to rely on homemade rules/charts for most of my specialty matches... That being said, I've really enjoyed some of the more recent matches that have been released (i.e. Zeke's deathmatch rules and the I Quit match included with Legends Expansion Pack 2)... So I'm really looking forward to the upcoming Companion - if nothing else, I'm sure it will offer some inspiration for things I haven't tried before.
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Post by Cory Olson on Oct 23, 2021 19:38:35 GMT -5
Finished this episode this morning. Thanks for going through all the Ringside Companions, Todd ( Tournament Master) and Sam ( Sam Fain)! I had forgotten about some of those character-specific charts from the GWF. Your thorough analysis makes me more excited to get the finalized Ringside Companion in hand. Mike M, how big can we make this thing?  |
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Post by DK II on Oct 24, 2021 14:53:50 GMT -5
Great Episode. I use the Special Match chart to determine the match that my HM Title will be up for grabs in; I think it is one of the best charts ever in the game. AND if there ever is a "Roll Up Drinking Game!", one of the rules will have to be to take to a drink whenever the word "Absolutely" is used.  |
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Post by Sam Fain on Oct 24, 2021 19:00:45 GMT -5
Great Episode. I use the Special Match chart to determine the match that my HM Title will be up for grabs in; I think it is one of the best charts ever in the game. AND if there ever is a "Roll Up Drinking Game!", one of the rules will have to be to take to a drink whenever the word "Absolutely" is used. Absolutely!  |
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Post by Sam Fain on Oct 24, 2021 19:11:50 GMT -5
Pete Thank you so much for your incredibly well thought out and engaging response to what I knew would instigate some discussion and potentially turn some people off. I don't disagree with a lot of what you have to say, frankly. But, and here's perhaps a novel idea, I think the space exists for both viewpoints. I don't think either side of this spectrum is "wrong". In fact, I believe it's one of the truly beautiful things about wrestling - it affords us the opportunity to have so many different expressions of the art form - and some people will likes one of those expressions and dislike others. I don't think that makes either side right or wrong or better or worse than the other. I think it just makes us discerning consumers of an art form that has constantly evolved from day 1. And I'll be honest, I'm probably never going to book Thesz vs Burke in my legends fed or Moolah/Andre. And I don't know that I ever want to see a real life wrestling card dominated by inter gender bouts. That said, I do think there's space for it in the modern wrestling world as long as you have talent that want to participate and bookers that want to book it. There's definitely an audience for it. I talk about it a little bit more on the upcoming episode of the podcast, but I felt like you deserved a response here too after such a wonderful reply. Thanks again and thank you for listening! I used the intergender chart and matches a few times when it came out because Tom was booking multiple man vs. woman feuds, notably Wolf vs. Amazonia, and I've always been pretty by-the-book. But I haven't booked any since (with a few exceptions that I'll get into) and probably won't again. I just have no taste for intergender wrestling at all whether in fantasy or in real life. Just the act of a male beating on a woman, even if it's doing suplexes and power bombs and not really resembling the horrors of actual abuse, comes off as skeevy to me. It's just too established in real life that women are not a physical match for men all other things being equal--yes, Serena Williams could kill me at tennis and Amanda Nunes could beat up all of us promoters probably at the same time. They can't compete with even a 75th-ranked person on the men's circuit in their respective sports. And I'm all for equality and representation, but facts is facts. And I know people like to bring up the existence of the Irish whip or 450 splash as "gotcha"s when the discussion of realism in wrestling is ever brought up, even before we get into Transevolvers and AniMen. But everyone has a line somewhere--long before I ever knew what a podcast was much less one hosted by Jim Cornette, I remember watching the Undertaker fly out of the video wall at the '94 Royal Rumble and thinking I was watching the stupidest thing I'd ever seen, in wrestling or otherwise. I'm sure some people saw wrestling as "entertainment" and decided that it shouldn't have any RULES, MAAAN and that it was really cool. But everyone does have a line somewhere, whether they want to admit to it or not. For men, men vs. women just completely shatters immersion--if that "doesn't matter" in service to the story, then what does matter? And why should I watch wrestling if nothing matters? As disagreeable as they can come across, this is the kind of thing that JR and Cornette continually try to stress. If you just ignore all the rules and restrictions because you have 25 minutes worth of tornado tag spots to get through, eventually fans are going to lose focus and your heat's going to dissipate and more people are going to wonder why the referee is standing there with his thumb up his rear orifice than enforcing the rules. Anyway...all that said, well before the conversion chart came out, as soon as Amazonia got a card I started planning for a big storyline blowoff match with her vs. Reynard B. Guile. That goes back to the "all things being equal" qualifier above--the skill level between Amazonia and Guile is decidedly not equal. At the last virtual con discussion turned to the possibilty of an Andy Kaufman-type character, and we had one in Rouser, another scrawny non-wrestler who competed in the women's division. That stuff I'm okay with. I even think at her peak you could have gotten some interest in booking Awesome Kong against a man, as a special one-off with a reason and an angle behind it. But women's wrestlers and men's wrestlers should be kept separate as a general rule. (One other thing...MMA and particularly the freak-show fights in PRIDE have shown pretty conclusively in real life that giants can't fight. They're too slow, too uncoordinated, and there's just more of them to get hit. "The Mountain" from Game of Thrones would get eaten alive by a guy like Conor MacGregor, because he wouldn't be able to touch him before gassing out and because while the Mountain may weigh 400 pounds of muscle, his limbs don't and a BJJ fighter applying full strength to one limb is going to win out over the limb every time. In New Japan, Akira Maeda pretty much shattered the Myth of Andre when their match broke down into a shoot, making Andre look completely helpless against his kicks. So I don't think booking a 7', 400-pound guy against a 230-pound guy in a wrestling match is a viable analogue to a man vs. a woman even if the size differences are proportionate. Just getting that out there.)
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Post by Sinestro24 on Oct 25, 2021 7:59:32 GMT -5
Nice episode really looking forward to the upcoming Ringside Companion.
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Post by Drew on Oct 25, 2021 9:16:41 GMT -5
Well said Sam. There’s room for both opinions. Liking something doesn’t make your way better or absolute.
Also I did love the idea of a “name that card” contest.
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Post by malicelover on Oct 25, 2021 9:47:07 GMT -5
I can confirm with certainty that the person on the 2107 Ringside Companion was not me. Great taste in wrestlers to match up, but two things work against me as being the "Model" for this cover art: 1. I have never had hair that shaggy in my life. 2. When 2107 came out (this was still when we were getting two COTG GWF editions) in 1998, I was about a decade away from being able to grow a full goatee. Unrelated, I still stand by my assessment that the perfect Ringside Companion would have the game charts listed in order by years that they came out so that we could, in theory, play the game editions in historically accurate ways. Tournament Master, has then been discussed? |
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