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Post by havoc on Aug 8, 2009 8:26:50 GMT -5
One more question... Is the champ included in the monthly top 10. If not how is he initially ranked if he loses the title. Does he start over or do you give him an instant rematch? None of the champs are ranked. If they lose I usually put them a top of the ranking ladder and then use the points system to go up and down the ladder. The ladders Ranking system might be easier to illustrate. Giant Baba wins is ranked #5. He wins two matches against ranked opponents. This equals 8 points. Since this would put him above #1. So I put him at +4 above the top spot. If Harley Race at #2 would have done the same he would've been at +7 and above Baba. However, he lost against a ranked guy (+2) and beat an unranked (-2) for a 0. He stays at #2 on the ladder. Some guys can wind up on the same level on the ladder like Street and Zbyszko. In that case, it's my call which is ranker higher. Giant Baba(+3) 1. Adrian Street Larry Zbyszko 2. Harley Race 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Another note. With three belts and the expansion to 60 guys and three singles belts. I now rank 15 guys. Top five are World contenders, next 5 HWA, last 5 King Extreme. Also, I have ten legends that I deem main eventers. These ten guys can only compete for the world title. If they slip out of the world top five, they slip out of the rankings completely. |
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Post by markoda on Aug 8, 2009 11:44:23 GMT -5
Smathis wrote:
Over the course of the month, each victory is assigned points. A wrestler gets 4 points for defeating a ranked wrestler and 2 points for a win over an unranked wrestler. In addition, a wrestler gets -4 points for losing to an unranked wrestler and -2 points for losing to a ranked wrestler.
Points are adjusted by one either way if the loss or win occurs via Count-Out or Disqualification. So, losing to an unranked wrestler by DQ would cost -3 points in the rankings. Beating a ranked wrestler by count-out would only earn you 3 points.
Havoc wrote:
Giant Baba wins is ranked #5. He wins two matches against ranked opponents. This equals 8 points. Since this would put him above #1. So I put him at +4 above the top spot. If Harley Race at #2 would have done the same he would've been at +7 and above Baba. However, he lost against a ranked guy (+2) and beat an unranked (-2) for a 0. He stays at #2 on the ladder.
Now I am confused....tell me if this is right!
+4 to defeat a ranked wrestler (pin/submission)
+2 to defeat an unranked wrestler (pin/submission)
+1/-1 adjustment for countout/DQ
-4 for loss against an unranked wrestler
-2 for loss against a ranked wrestler
I am not understanding the ranking system as both are written. Can you break it down for me or is the way I wrote it correct?
Sorry about the questions, but I would like to try your system out and need specifics.
BTW: Thanks for answering the other questions so quick.
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Post by havoc on Aug 8, 2009 11:52:05 GMT -5
Markoda, it is the way you write. I just flopped + and - signs for the loss against ranked (-2) and win vs unranked (+2)
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Post by markoda on Aug 8, 2009 17:18:17 GMT -5
Cool thanks for clearing up
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Post by smathis on Aug 10, 2009 11:24:26 GMT -5
I'll add in my $.02 as well, although I don't vary from what Havoc said all that much.
Just like Havoc, I roll up the matches first and then order them however makes sense.
Sometimes I do what Havoc mentions and have a shot at a title (or a title) be the reward for winning a Battle Royal. Other times, I'll just have it count as a win against a ranked wrestler for one guy and nothing for everyone else.
In a triple threat match, I'll often have the win count as a win for the winner and a loss for the losers, though.
No, but if he loses I usually count him as occupying the #8 spot -- unless the title has its own contender ladder.
I use the LOW, LOTF, Cory/Chad/Tim's Bootlegs, Travis' Memphis cards and then around 6-7 bootlegs I've done on my own. I've split these cards up into 3 divisions/brands: LWF, LOTF and Memphis Legends. I place the wrestlers wherever I feel they fit best. So, Bryan Danielson went to the LOTF brand. Dennis Condrey went to the Memphis brand (which is really sort of a "Southern" wrestling brand). Even though both of those guys are LOW cards. Koko Ware also went to Memphis. I think I put RVD in LOTF. You get the picture, I'm sure.
The limit to the roster is confined to just the number of cards in use. Now, the ACTIVE roster is 1 Singles Title holder, 1 Junior Title holder, 10 Contenders, 3 Unranked Guys, 1 Tag-team Title team, 5 Contenders for the Tag Title, 2 Unranked Tag-Teams.
So... 23 guys, roughly. Of those guys, all but 7 are guaranteed a spot on the PPV. And sometimes the unranked guys make it to the PPV, depending on their performance.
Over the course of the month, new guys come into a house show and try to win a spot on a roster. But if, say, Koko B. Ware isn't on the Active Roster and beats the Dream Machine clean. He won't get a chance to make it to the Active Roster until the rankings are reset, usually at the end of the month.
One thing I have been doing lately is re-ranking everyone right before the PPV. Usually, I have my feuds already set for the PPV. So those matches are booked. But re-ranking right before the PPV helps to fill out the mid-card bouts and lets the new guys jump up on the roster for the PPV itself.
This has produced some exciting PPVs and it's something I think I'm sticking with.
In my feds, everyone fights everyone else. It's all about the rankings and the titles. So, Rikidozan and Jimmy Snuka had a great series of matches a couple of months ago, even though both were faces. They both resorted to heelish tactics over the course of their three match run. But in the end, they shook hands and Snuka acknowledged that Rikidozan was the better man.
I also have an interesting feud going between Hulk Hogan and Lou Thesz. Both are heels in my fed. Hogan is managed by Sherri Martel and Larry Sweeney and has been undefeated thus far, working his way into a title shot at LWF Champ Rikidozan. Thesz wants to recapture the belt but has lost to Hogan once. This feud is just getting started but it looks to get nastier as these two heels pull out all stops to get a shot at the belt.
Shifting the focus to moving up/down the roster, staying on the roster and winning the belt takes the emphasis off a wrestler's status as a heel or babyface. It flows a lot more like Ring of Honor where wrestlers just do their thing and the fans cheer who they want (or at least that used to be how RoH was).
I still have situations emerge where heels do heelish things, though. Hogan jumped Bobo Brazil during a match with Larry Zybysko (Hogan's stablemate). Hogan injured Bobo for a month, putting him on the reserve "Unranked" roster.
Brazil is back now and is tearing up the undercard to get his shot at Hogan and Zybysko.
That's more of a traditional angle in wrestling. But it occurred solely on the results of the dice. No thought or planning on my part went into it, although it did cement the relationship between Sherri Martel's stable and Larry Sweeney's stable forming the first inter-brand stable in the LWF. It also caused some serious problems for the Heenan Family.
Previously, Bobby the Brain had dominated the LWF brand, holding pretty much all the gold for a while. Now his top contender for the singles title (Don Muraco) is struggling in the rankings and his premiere tag-team (The Valiants) have lost their title and are on the verge of losing their spot on the active roster. Although Heenan's man, Ray Stevens, did manage to pull out a win to take the U.S. Title.
Meh. You get the picture, I'm sure.
Sometimes I give him a rematch clause. Sometimes not. Depends on the nature of the series between the two competitors and how much I want the title to change hands.
But I also do what Havoc does, placing the former title holder at #1 and adjusting up or down based on performance during re-ranking.
That's interesting. I'll have to give it a try. I've just been eyeballing my Junior Title in the 7-10 range.
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Post by markoda on Aug 10, 2009 13:43:45 GMT -5
How many cards are you guys running a month?
I take the amount of wrestlers and divide by 12. That gives me how many cards to run a month to try and get everyone wrestling.
And how many matches per card do you guys do?
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Post by havoc on Aug 10, 2009 14:11:44 GMT -5
How many cards are you guys running a month? I take the amount of wrestlers and divide by 12. That gives me how many cards to run a month to try and get everyone wrestling. And how many matches per card do you guys do? My fed runs shows every two weeks as follows - TV Taping, TV Taping, PPV, repeat. So usually 2 per month, sometimes three. Since my shows are all about the ranked guys guaranteed to get a match, my TV tapings could have as many as 24 matches (3 champions, 15 ranked wrestlers, tag champs, and 5 ranked tag teams). However, there is usually less than 20 because some ranked guys face each other and some are injured. For PPV's, ranked guys are facing ranked guys so I'm usually at 12 matches for the PPV's. My fed is all about the ranked guys so if the unranked guys get the shaft, they need to win when they get the chance to wrestle. I just assume that a guy who has not been wrestling recently is wrestling on the indy scene or is over in Japan. It's been awhile since Dr Death has been rolled to compete in the HWA so I'd assume he's over in Japan. |
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Post by smathis on Aug 10, 2009 14:20:49 GMT -5
I'm probably less strict about how many matches I run per month.
For my LWF fed, I plan to run 3 shows a month. Two TV followed by a PPV. Just like Havoc.
I try to stay on top of it by running a show every two weeks but, honestly, a lot of times I wind up running the fed's entire month in a week. Or sometimes playing catch-up and running previous months.
My TV tapings have 6 matches. My PPV has 10. Sometimes this means that ranked guys get shafted. But I don't mind that too much because there's always one or two that are underperforming or just don't have any heat behind them at the moment.
For my Memphis fed, things are a little different. I have two big shows: one a PPV and one a Saturday Night Main Event sort of show.
And then I have 3-4 Tv tapings to promote those big shows.
The TV tapings have 3 matches on them. The SNME show has between 6 and 8. The PPV has 10.
I may bring that down a bit because the Memphis fed is starting to be a larger time commitment than I'm comfortable with.
But at the very least I'll have a couple of TV tapings and the PPV each month.
Just like Havoc, I consider a guy to be "on tour" when he's not competing on the active roster. For example, prior to his return to the LWF, Rikidozan was in Japan. I storied that he was the champion in Legends Japan for a while and wanted to try his hand at the LWF World Title. Even though I don't run a Legends Japan fed, nor do I plan to.
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Post by smathis on Aug 10, 2009 14:30:10 GMT -5
Oh, another thing to consider, is that my annual "season" contains special events like a World Tag-Team Grand Prix, a Battle Royal to earn spots on the LWF roster and a Legends Cup singles tournament too.
These events feature wrestlers on the INACTIVE roster. So it gives me a chance to use guys that otherwise haven't been in the LWF and sometimes to do crossovers between the brands. For instance, the Heartbreak Express got a chance to get on the LWF roster after a stellar showing at last season's Tag Grand Prix.
The Funks won it. But they're still out on the indies and touring Japan. I'd like to bring them in but, thus far, they haven't shown an interest.
Two years ago, Rikidozan won the Legends Cup in an incredible match against Mil Mascaras. It took over a year but he came to the LWF in 2009. He's been a great world champ and has proven time and again that he's capable of putting on some pretty awesome matches against most opponents.
That's how I got a feel for the guys before they were in the LWF. Now, when they come in, it's just a continuation of what has already gone before.
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Post by graymar on Aug 10, 2009 14:47:47 GMT -5
The answer is…of coarse…whatever you are comfortable with…
Here is some general guidelines I use.
I want everyone on the roster to wrestle 75% of the time (week)
1/3 of the matches are tag
I like house shows for LWF. It gives you a chance to do some matches without doing promos.
6 matches per 2 hour TV
8 matches per 2 hour House show (no promos)
8 matches for 3 hour PPV (a bit longer matches)
Let’s say I want to do 1 hour TV (3 matches) and a 2-hour house show (8 matches) per week. That’s 11 matches. 3 (or 4) are tag. That is a total of 28 wrestlers. Another ¼ are not wrestling (but can do promos, run ins, etc.)…so a roster of 35.
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