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[j]

if you think about it though most of the guys in LOW have at one time or another been both face and heel during their career. A guy like Curt Hennig probably gets used as a heel in most feds because most of us think of him as Mr. Perfect, but he had a nice run in the AWA as a face, even as Mr. Perfect was briefly a face.

and to go true old school, look at guys like Gotch... he was a wrestler, not a face, not a heel, just a wrestler plain and simple.

but I do understand what your saying, my problem is more with guys I'm not as familier with like Erick Stevens and Eddie Kingston. By reading their bios in the book, checking wiki and youtube I get a bit of an idea but it's nothing like guys who I grew up watching.

[talison]

I prefer having set faces and heels. I tried the "everyone fights everyone" bit for a while and I found it lacked drama. So now I keep it faces vs. heels as much as possible. I will have wrestlers from two heel stables face each other. And if it's for a Title or Contendership I don't mind having the same alignment against each other, as long as they earned their spot there.

I do, however, try to blur the lines. Kingston turned face because Claudio turned heel in a match against him and double teamed and injured Kingston with hero's aid. So the fans want to see Kingston destroy Claudio, and the faces are happy to have his help. But he didn't change the way he wrestles. John Pesek is such a straight up war machine that the fans cheer him when he destroys anyone he faces. Although I've written that the crowd doesn't like when he gets rough against one of their favorites as he did against Jimmy Snuka.

I suppose guys like that are actually tweeners. Cheered vs. heels but possibly booed against faces. I prefer to classify them on the side that they most fit at the time.

[cromsdevil]

Jul 10, 2010 0:07:45 GMT -5 talison said:

I prefer having set faces and heels. I tried the "everyone fights everyone" bit for a while and I found it lacked drama. So now I keep it faces vs. heels as much as possible. I will have wrestlers from two heel stables face each other. And if it's for a Title or Contendership I don't mind having the same alignment against each other, as long as they earned their spot there.

I do, however, try to blur the lines. Kingston turned face because Claudio turned heel in a match against him and double teamed and injured Kingston with hero's aid. So the fans want to see Kingston destroy Claudio, and the faces are happy to have his help. But he didn't change the way he wrestles. John Pesek is such a straight up war machine that the fans cheer him when he destroys anyone he faces. Although I've written that the crowd doesn't like when he gets rough against one of their favorites as he did against Jimmy Snuka.

I suppose guys like that are actually tweeners. Cheered vs. heels but possibly booed against faces. I prefer to classify them on the side that they most fit at the time.

That is very similar to the way I run my fed. It gives a lot of room to work with but it also lets you keep the drama like you mention.

I do have some feuds that cross heel/face lines like Snuka & Muraco. They never miss a chance to try to humliate or destroy the other. Even if they are both heels or if they were both face it doesnt matter. Their hatred for each other is eternal.

[markyhitch]

Jul 9, 2010 21:15:40 GMT -5 j said:

and to go true old school, look at guys like Gotch... he was a wrestler, not a face, not a heel, just a wrestler plain and simple.

You know, back in the 1970s/80s, British wrestling was full of neutrals and fans would cheer for both. We didn't have a storyline-run fed, so it was more like a sport where the better man won. The bigger (ie. more famous) wrestlers were the faces and heels and they very rarely changed sides. We'd never have heel v heel but lots of face v face matches (which I found too sickly sweet to watch!)...but the faces always beat the heels; any other result just wouldn't be British!

[talison]

And I'd like to capture that sport feel as you say. But when the faces regularly fight other faces in my fed it just doesn't feel special. However what I do like about it is that a wrestler is being tested against a wider range of competition.

[doublea]

I know this is a LOTF thread, but that was definitely an issue in the first Legends edition...top heavy on heels, so you needed creative booking

[talison]

Oh, totally. It was like that for a while. There are still guys I liked better as a heel, like DDP, who I use as faces because I need faces.

[Demosthenes]

There are some guys that I just CANNOT use as babyfaces (Greg Valentine comes to mind right off hand), but there are some that can go either way (Don Muraco, Jimmy Snuka, Bruiser Brody, ect.). I use a basic babyface-heel fed, but try to incorporate more of a "competition" feel to it.

While I have some storylines based on the babyface-heel dynamic (currently heel Ox Baker is having a feud with face Pepper Gomez that involves Gomez's immigration status), some also come from the "competition" part of my fed. An example is heel Gotch against originally heel Pesek because Pesek won the World Championship. But because Pesek hasn't backed down to Gotch (and Gotch is one of those super heels that can get heat by just looking at the crowd) I see Pesek as a tweener now.

[talison]

Pesek for me, as I said, is a face. He teams with lewis and acts as his enforcer. Lewis had been a heel but won the fans back on his road to the US Title, which he may have only won due to Pesek softening up opponents.

So Pesek earns a shot at the US Title. Lewis puts it off for a few weeks. Pesek gets his first pinfall loss when Rude pinned him in a tag team match and Lewis failed to make the save. They then had their match and Lewis got counted out. Sometimes the dice love me. I'm teasing Lewis' heel turn now, because the fans think he was counted out on purpose, but Pesek may lap him and go straight on to a World Title match. They almost had it out after the US Title match but to prolong things I had the Heenan Family attack them and it forced them to work together.

Gotch was never good for me until I made him a heel. As a heel I borrowed from Kurt Angle. He's just a pure dominant wrestler who brags about it. However I turned him face, sort of, by sending him to my international fed where he's trying to show that American wrestling is better by beating all the foreign heels. I've tried to steer clear of him fighting foreign faces, so he might just be a tweener right now. He won a major feud against the Sheik and now is looking for new prey.