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Post by Justin Case on Jan 29, 2008 15:25:16 GMT -5
Was Mutant's SE card the one where he went thru the Transevolver to try to cure him from his "mutantness" and it didn't really cure him, but made him stronger? If it's that card, I really dug the artwork. I've always liked the Su art of Wolf, where's he's leaping at you. That was my favorite Wolf card to date!
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Post by vengeance on Jan 29, 2008 16:06:55 GMT -5
thanks for all of the replies, especially Osk's list. i will probably, over time, purchase all of the SE cards. this thread will definitely help me decide what I should get first.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jan 29, 2008 19:49:58 GMT -5
I always felt it was a downgrade. GORDIAN KNOT lost a point, and I think he lost agility? Don't remember the specifics, but at the time he was my top dog and the new card knocked him down a peg. Plus the art wasn't nearly as cool. He also lost the 'A' ring rating. This card was a big bummer as he was one of my favorites. And hey, look, I "quoted" you this time!
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Post by chewey on Jan 29, 2008 20:38:45 GMT -5
well now, looking at a discussion on the other board, I think I'll have to throw in a pitch for Plethador as a strong candidate for an SE card too! Best. Jobber. Ever.
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Post by jefft on Feb 1, 2008 15:50:10 GMT -5
Good art is important to me, so I'd almost consider any card with better art or a card that at least provides respectable art compared to a crappy original, as absolutely necessary. For example, the Pegasus upgrade was a pretty important 'game moment' as he became 'arguably' (at the very least he was top 3) the best wrestler in the biz at that time and his 'face turn' really made him a cool character for me. However, his original card art was so awful and ridiculous that it was almost physically painful to look at. The SE art didn't make any stat changes (I think) but the new art was decent (not great, but pretty good). IMO, the new card was 'necessary'. That's probably the most extreme example I can recall, but there are many similar cases.
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Post by jefft on Feb 1, 2008 15:50:54 GMT -5
I've always liked the Su art of Wolf, where's he's leaping at you. That was my favorite Wolf card to date! Absolutely!
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Post by Justin Case on Feb 2, 2008 2:36:01 GMT -5
Good art is important to me, so I'd almost consider any card with better art or a card that at least provides respectable art compared to a crappy original, as absolutely necessary. For example, the Pegasus upgrade was a pretty important 'game moment' as he became 'arguably' (at the very least he was top 3) the best wrestler in the biz at that time and his 'face turn' really made him a cool character for me. However, his original card art was so awful and ridiculous that it was almost physically painful to look at. The SE art didn't make any stat changes (I think) but the new art was decent (not great, but pretty good). IMO, the new card was 'necessary'. That's probably the most extreme example I can recall, but there are many similar cases. I really liked the art that came later, like in 2112? I think it was. His stats were downgraded, but the art I felt was the best effort for his character overall. Still, even with the downgraded stats, he wasn't that bad. Still could win a match here and there without being a pushover in his older age! But definitely agree with you, good art can make a difference in how you look at a character and how you role play them as well!
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Post by jefft on Feb 2, 2008 5:40:20 GMT -5
Good art is important to me, so I'd almost consider any card with better art or a card that at least provides respectable art compared to a crappy original, as absolutely necessary. For example, the Pegasus upgrade was a pretty important 'game moment' as he became 'arguably' (at the very least he was top 3) the best wrestler in the biz at that time and his 'face turn' really made him a cool character for me. However, his original card art was so awful and ridiculous that it was almost physically painful to look at. The SE art didn't make any stat changes (I think) but the new art was decent (not great, but pretty good). IMO, the new card was 'necessary'. That's probably the most extreme example I can recall, but there are many similar cases. I really liked the art that came later, like in 2112? I think it was. His stats were downgraded, but the art I felt was the best effort for his character overall. Still, even with the downgraded stats, he wasn't that bad. Still could win a match here and there without being a pushover in his older age! But definitely agree with you, good art can make a difference in how you look at a character and how you role play them as well! I thought this was the best art for Pegasus, as well. I enjoyed the majority of Jeremy Su's work actually. That would be #1, then his SE art, followed by his original 2095 drawing, then his original 'upgrade' card (2101 I think?) would be a distant last. The quality of the pencilling was ok (I get the impression most guys didn't like Bendis overall, but he was alright with me and I'd probably rank him right in the middle when compared to all the COTG artists we've had), but his overall pose was silly and the facial features, particularly the huge mouth combined with a silly grin, made him look downright ridiculous. I guess it made it worse because I really wanted to 'get into' the character based off his card stats and one look at his art made it more 'disappointing' than usual: the fact that his 'face-turn' was written as very 'believable' and stretched out over time (as opposed to the wrestling standard of - one day I'm slapping valets and cheating like nobody's business and the next day I'm the perfect example of justice and decency), solid explanation was given as to how he improved so much (add to the fact that Tom wrote him from the very beginning as a guy with huge talent and upside, also helping to make his huge upgrade more believable), then after learning from Omega, he refuses to become a super-goody Omega Jr. and keeps an 'edgy' side to him. Then he's thrown into a feud with toughest guy and actually becomes the first guy with the stats to give Chaos a consistent threat and actually win more matches than he loses one-on-one. Actually, over the whole history of the game this was probably the best 'handled/written' of all the face/heel turns that I recall. I think I'm starting to ramble on, so I'll shut up now.
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Post by lwffantrav on Feb 2, 2008 11:23:44 GMT -5
(I get the impression most guys didn't like Bendis overall, but he was alright with me and I'd probably rank him right in the middle when compared to all the COTG artists we've had), Yeah, I'd put him a step above Werner!
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Post by maddog1981 on Feb 2, 2008 12:48:21 GMT -5
Another quick thought is that many of these wrestlers (Wolf, Mutant, etc.) are using the same card for years. The cards themselves get a little ratty over time (at least when I was rolling dice). So, a new fresh card is a blessing. Graymar That's why you laminate them like I did. Invincible to spills and the cards no longer get torn up.
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