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Post by swarm on Oct 20, 2010 19:11:17 GMT -5
While some may not care for Dundee on the very superficial and shallow basis due to size--but you cannot deny Dundee delivers an exciting and entertaining match. Your crabby comment would imply I've never seen a Bill Dundee match and I have. And I can deny that Dundee delivers an exciting and entertaining match, because I don't think he does. Wrestlers were no where near as big back then as they are now. All he knows about Dundee is what he read in PWI and his mind is made up. Guess he also knows something the rest of us don't since he also said about a Fuji wrestler card and he wants a manager card. More assumptions. Thanks Ty. I know plenty about Bill Dundee and it's not from PWI. As far as Fuji goes, it was already said he was getting a tag wrestler card a long time ago. www.filsingergames.com/low/lownews.phpIn case you don't know, we already announced in July at GalactiCon 2010 that MR FUJI will be part of the new lineup! He'll add some old school conniving heel talent to the tag ranksOnly goofs and people with ZERO wrestling knowledge are hung up on size and someone's "body". Shows they haven't watched wrestling from years ago, to yesterday and today. Some solid workers under 5-10...some world champs, even in the hallowed halls of the "E"! Gasp!!! OMG More name calling. I'll put my wrestling knowledge up against your any day Trav. And I'm not hung up on Dundee being a wee mite. It's just that most small wrestlers are either high flyers like HBK, Mysterio (among a ton others) or excellent wrestlers like Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit or Bryan Danielson. Dundee is neither. He's more of a brawler. That kind of style works when you are a big guy but not when you're 5'4 and don't look like a wrestler. Bill Dundee was never a credible or realistic wrestler in my eyes. That's just my opinion. It's doesn't make me a goof and it doesn't mean I don't watch wrestling. It just means that I'm not hoping to be reincarnated as Bill Dundee's wrestling trunks. Out of respect for LWPD, I'd like to ask that the three of you please keep this topic about the Bill Dundee vids posted here, and not about taking personal shots at me because I don't share the same opinion as you. You made your points, I've responded to them. Time to get back on topic boys. |
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Post by marktaggart on Oct 20, 2010 19:36:55 GMT -5
This is what happens when we start mixing territorial guys with national and international stars. Dundee was a big star in a territory where the fans wanted to be entertained and were very forgiving of size and the in-ring style tended towards wild brawls. Dundee had a great personality, was very good on the mic, and could give the Memphis fans what the fans what they wanted to see; a wild fight. I've known some guys Dundee's size who could straight out go in a fight and thrash guys twice their size, so there was never a credibility issue in that regard with me. I do concede that it's hard to see a man of his size brawl in the ring with a guy the size of Hawk or Animal, for instance, because of the visual nature of pro wrestling and the perception of what does and doesn't look right. I would also say that if people could see footage of some of the older legends in the game they would probably be of the same mind on them, too.
Dundee is a great promo guy and he did have success on a national level as a manager. He'd be a good fit for guys running a light heavyweight division or a territorial type promotion, but he's not everyone's cup of tea, so to speak. Some of these territorial guys and guys from certain eras just aren't going to "fit in" with the modern vision of pro wrestling on a national or worldwide level. But the national level guys wouldn't have necessarily worked in some territories or eras, either.
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Post by cruefan68 on Oct 20, 2010 20:43:12 GMT -5
This is what happens when we start mixing territorial guys with national and international stars. Dundee was a big star in a territory where the fans wanted to be entertained and were very forgiving of size and the in-ring style tended towards wild brawls. Dundee had a great personality, was very good on the mic, and could give the Memphis fans what the fans what they wanted to see; a wild fight. I've known some guys Dundee's size who could straight out go in a fight and thrash guys twice their size, so there was never a credibility issue in that regard with me. I do concede that it's hard to see a man of his size brawl in the ring with a guy the size of Hawk or Animal, for instance, because of the visual nature of pro wrestling and the perception of what does and doesn't look right. I would also say that if people could see footage of some of the older legends in the game they would probably be of the same mind on them, too. Dundee is a great promo guy and he did have success on a national level as a manager. He'd be a good fit for guys running a light heavyweight division or a territorial type promotion, but he's not everyone's cup of tea, so to speak. Some of these territorial guys and guys from certain eras just aren't going to "fit in" with the modern vision of pro wrestling on a national or worldwide level. But the national level guys wouldn't have necessarily worked in some territories or eras, either. A brilliant response, Mark. I thought this topic could be about positive things and not turn into a flame war. We get it some people just flat out don't like Bill Dundee but that doesn't mean he has no place in Legends. We should just be grateful that he signed and thank people like Ty for helping get that done. I'm pretty sure I've never seen this much criticism of a signing and I can't fathom why it is that way. Is it just because he won the poll over "Attitude Era" stars? Hey, I wanted most of those guys too but we were forced to make a choice and Dundee won the vote fairly. Talk like this might hinder future signings so it's probably best to let it go. Again, thanks Bill for signing to be in the game and also thanks to Super Crazy, Giant Bernard, Blue Meanie, and Kurrgan for doing the same. I look forward to one day having their cards as well. |
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Post by kingwiththeax on Oct 20, 2010 20:49:32 GMT -5
This is what happens when we start mixing territorial guys with national and international stars. Dundee was a big star in a territory where the fans wanted to be entertained and were very forgiving of size and the in-ring style tended towards wild brawls. Dundee had a great personality, was very good on the mic, and could give the Memphis fans what the fans what they wanted to see; a wild fight. I've known some guys Dundee's size who could straight out go in a fight and thrash guys twice their size, so there was never a credibility issue in that regard with me. I do concede that it's hard to see a man of his size brawl in the ring with a guy the size of Hawk or Animal, for instance, because of the visual nature of pro wrestling and the perception of what does and doesn't look right. I would also say that if people could see footage of some of the older legends in the game they would probably be of the same mind on them, too. Dundee is a great promo guy and he did have success on a national level as a manager. He'd be a good fit for guys running a light heavyweight division or a territorial type promotion, but he's not everyone's cup of tea, so to speak. Some of these territorial guys and guys from certain eras just aren't going to "fit in" with the modern vision of pro wrestling on a national or worldwide level. But the national level guys wouldn't have necessarily worked in some territories or eras, either. Makes a lot of sense. But for me the beauty of the game is mixing all the eras, and let the dice "rewrite history" for each of the guys in my fed. I have never really ran an "ECW" fed or a "Memphis" fed, it is just basically a mish mash of all types of wrestlers. Frank Gotch vs Bryan Danielson, The Terrible Turk vs The Sandman. Chris Hero vs George Steele. I guess I don't think about not using guys just because they wouldn't "fit in" to a certain era. |
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Post by inquisator on Oct 23, 2010 11:20:12 GMT -5
First of all everyone's opinion is valid........some guys are simply not going to be liked by everyone.........I am a student of the sport and voted for Dundee (while regretting i could not vote for Bernard)..and would welcome all sign-ees into legends (the fact that these men all signed up is to be commended).... .........I for one look forward to throwing his rough style in with the scientific lightweights and the high fly-ers......Dundee taking on Hodge or Tiger Mask to me.......is what the fun of this game is all about.... people are going hate him............to each his own....... ....For the longest time I hated Honkytonk man........not understanding how he could hold on to the belt, with a who's who of great contenders..........today.....I would love to see him in LOW.... I might want him to get squashed a lot  BTW did Dundee use his own name when he managed Regal? I think it was a butler type gimmick.... Le's all just enjoy the incredible diversity we all bring to the worlds greatest game...... |
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Post by inquisator on Oct 23, 2010 11:23:07 GMT -5
BTW........
watching the videos makes me want a Buddy Landel as well.....
Also Jos Leduc would be a great addition as well......
I really aopreciate now seeing how great the Memphis era was.....and thank people like double a for his passion...... I have learned so much about a promotion we were simply never exposed to....
Dundee is kind of "exotic" to a old WWWF fan........
KUDOS......
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Post by TTX on Oct 23, 2010 18:18:08 GMT -5
Buddy Landell would be a great addition. The time he and Bill were running roughshod over Memphis was great.
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