Strategy Options

[roninnoir]

Jul 7, 2008 8:54:12 GMT -5 smathis said:

Thanks for the feedback, Tommy.

Jul 5, 2008 22:35:06 GMT -5 @roninnoir said:

Having them in EVERY match seemed to slow me down, but that could well be just because they're new.

Maybe it's because they're new. I took me a couple of matches with each type before I got comfortable enough to where they didn't take much extra thought.

A couple of things that might help.

Two out of three of the Options can only be used when a wrestler rolls "down - 3 (lv)". (For Gotch, that would be a down-3 on L3D of your choice).

Each wrestler gets a special option that can be used only once per match under special conditions. One of those conditions is that he has more than one point of Fatigue. This is the only option that you really need to understand the pre-requisities before you play the match.



One of the things I'm looking into is being able to mix-and-match the classes. The options are all pretty equal in effect so there's no reason you couldn't take, say, Option #1 from the Brawler class and then Option #2 from the Badass class and Option #3 from the Madman class to create a special class for a tweener.



I like those suggestions. Originally, I had a Technician class. But he didn't have anything that differentiated him that greatly from the Hero. I may reinstate that class in the future like I did the Badass once I get a better feel for a way to make him unique.

I like the idea of having a High-Flyer class (a "Spot Monkey" if you will). I'll look into adding that one as well.



The tag turmoil chart is the brainchild of LWFFanTrav -- who also created the Legends of Memphis sets. I believe he's got credit for it on the chart itself. It's a great chart. I tweaked a couple of things on it but it's definitely a lot of fun.

Jul 5, 2008 22:35:06 GMT -5 @roninnoir said:

Also, do you use a house rule where wrestlers can only use (lv) once? I notice that Hulk-Up, for instance, says it "expends your (lv) option for the match".

I could be mistaken but I think the "(lv)" option can only be used once per match in the rules-as-written. If I am mistaken, then -- yes -- I have been using a house-rule. ;D

Thanks again for the feedback. This is great stuff.

I had an idea for the Technician, but it eludes me at the moment. One option that hit me for a High Flyer was Skinning the Cat, presumably as his third option...possibly leading into a PIN attempt.

And yeah, I double-checked just to make sure I haven't been misreading the rules for years, and there's nothing about (lv) only being used once per match...

The PDF for Stalling Tactics says it can be used when you roll PIN as well, but I quickly ditched that (assuming its not just a typo) because I thought that was WAY too powerful...(the PDF says anytime you roll down-3 or PIN)

The tag turmoil chart pretty much SCREAMS "adding that final touch to tag matches that have been missing for YEARS" and should be made official, IMHO.

[smathis]

Jul 7, 2008 20:53:04 GMT -5 @roninnoir said:

The tag turmoil chart pretty much SCREAMS "adding that final touch to tag matches that have been missing for YEARS" and should be made official, IMHO.

I'm sure that would make Trav happy. He did a great job with that chart.

[roninnoir]

FWIW, I am growing more and more comfortable with the Strategy Options...especially mixing and maxing a bit on some of the harder to define guys.

[smathis]

Yeah, I worked on that last night with Angelo Mosca. He's kind of tweener for me as well. So I gave him one of the Badass options and then the other two Brawler options. It was really easy and appeared to work fine.

Let me know if you have any ideas for the Technician class. I'm tapped at the moment.

Also, for the High-Flyers, what's "Skinning the Cat"?

[smathis]

Jul 7, 2008 20:53:04 GMT -5 @roninnoir said:

And yeah, I double-checked just to make sure I haven't been misreading the rules for years, and there's nothing about (lv) only being used once per match...

I just double-checked too and confirmed that I've been playing this game WRONG for the last four years.

Oh well. I've been having fun. That's gotta count for something...

;D

This may require some sort of adjustment to the Strategy Options. But nothing major. I'd say just assume that those options that say "they expend your (lv) option" can only be used once in the match. That should be good enough for now.

Good catch.

[roninnoir]

It hasn't effected anything for me, really...the one adjustment I have made to the rules as written, as I mentioned, is on Stalling Tactics...I only allow it when down-3 (lv) is rolled...I certainly wouldn't allow it when PIN is rolled.

Skinning the Cat is when a guy is thrown over the top rope, holds on, and (generally) pulls himself back in. Some variations have included holding onto the ropes, grabbing the opponent in a head scissors and pulling him out of the ring, or pulling oneself onto the ring apron and then climbing the turnbuckles for an attack.

Ricky Steamboat made it famous.

[smathis]

Thanks again, Tommy.

I made edits to my master doc last night. I removed "Pin" from Stalling Tactics and changed all the "expends your (lv) options" to just a "Once".

Thanks for explaining "Skinning the Cat". I've seen the move a hundred times (even some footage of Steamboat doing it) but didn't know that was what it was called. Sounds like the perfect 1+ Fatigue option for a High Flyer after his opponent has rolled "out of the ring".

More to come. I'll repost the updated file once I get some more traction and testing on Technicians and High-Flyers.

Let me know if any other moves come to mind.

Thanks.