After Raw 10-3-11

[payback]

HHH is the worst. Of course after Raw went off the air, HHH can't leave looking like the whole fed hates him.

[Shon Maxx]

I'd call a NC vote if it'd get Trips off the air permenantly. Too bad that'll never happen.

[swarm]

While it disgusts me that all the attention Punk created for the WWE has miraculously been shifted to HHH, by HHH, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the "mastermind" behind all of this is CM Punk himself, and ultimately this vehicle is to get HIM massively over, not HHH. After all, he's the one who started the whole "conspiracy" stuff. It was Miz then Truth who began to agree with him. They've now gotten involved in the last two PPV matches involving Punk...Punk creating all of this chaos to get back at HHH makes a ton of sense...

That's the fan in me thinking...

The smark in me says the "mastermind" will turn out to be Vince or Stephanie, setting up another damn McMahon vs. McMahon feud where Punk will simply be a pawn in it all.

Good RAW last night. I'm really into the union angle, and I appreciate that the entire locker room (minus a few very big names) would want to dump on HHH. Paying attention to his character over his career, why would any of these guys support him? HHH is notorious for plowing through anyone in his way and now that he's asking for support, everyone is giving him the big thumbs down. What goes around, comes around.

[marktaggart]

After all the talk on the boards here about the WWE lately, I watched that last segment on RAW and I saw a number of odd moments there. One that is glaring is the fact that there have only been a few really unusually "unsafe" things going on in the WWE since Triple H took over and one of them has been Mark Henry destroying anyone and anything in his path. But who stood out there pleading the case of "unsafe work conditions"? The man who has put out Big Show, Kane, Khali, put Shemus through a barricade, tossed around securtiy guys and refs and cameramen: Mark Henry.

Also, Beth Phoenix had to deliver one of the corniest lines I've ever heard on the show.


PS: Drew McIntyre and John Morrison should've kept their women in check.

[Phoenix]

the end of RAW was laughable. So Henry attacks the King, and Miz and Truth attack a couple people, and it's unsafe.
Last i checked for the last ooooh 25 years i've been watching wrestlers get attacked every week.
Don't remember anyone walking out after Savage took a bell to Steamboat's throat. Don't remember anyone walking out when that Viper bit Savage. Don't remember anyone walking out when NAO stuck Mankind and Chainsaw Charlie in a dumpster and shoved it off the stage. Don't remember anyone walking out when The Undertaker and his Ministry were kidnapping people. Didn't they brainwash Simmons and Bradshaw?!
Rediculous. Could have at least have some more real havoc. This made no sense.

AND it probably means Vince is coming back. Oh, another episode with Punk not talking. I can just hear the backstage conversation. Punk: 'what do i get to say this week?"
HHH: " you got your money, so shut up."

[jmello]

Oct 4, 2011 10:28:41 GMT -5 Phoenix said:

the end of RAW was laughable. So Henry attacks the King, and Miz and Truth attack a couple people, and it's unsafe.
Last i checked for the last ooooh 25 years i've been watching wrestlers get attacked every week.
Don't remember anyone walking out after Savage took a bell to Steamboat's throat. Don't remember anyone walking out when that Viper bit Savage. Don't remember anyone walking out when NAO stuck Mankind and Chainsaw Charlie in a dumpster and shoved it off the stage. Don't remember anyone walking out when The Undertaker and his Ministry were kidnapping people. Didn't they brainwash Simmons and Bradshaw?!
Rediculous. Could have at least have some more real havoc. This made no sense.

This made no sense to me. I agree completely. If they wanted the wrestlers to throw a fit, why not have them request more money, ala NBA lockout, then to completely say it is unsafe. Umm...you're a professional wrestler, there was 2 HIAC matches the night before, what do you mean you want a safe work environment? I would use a "lockout" angle and use it to promote young talent such as Zack Ryder and others who choose to not walk out. Then have the walk-outs get jealous of the scabs and their new titles, exposure, etc. creating a monster feud between the two. The way WWE did it, as usual, made no sense.

[E-Ternal]

I don't know what happened after Raw, but I truly disliked it. I can now go back to watching other Monday night programming. SO after about a 2-3 month run where I had started watching Raw I am now done for awhile. POOP.

[Jon E Diamond]

Oct 4, 2011 15:39:31 GMT -5 jmello said:

Oct 4, 2011 10:28:41 GMT -5 Phoenix said:

the end of RAW was laughable. So Henry attacks the King, and Miz and Truth attack a couple people, and it's unsafe.
Last i checked for the last ooooh 25 years i've been watching wrestlers get attacked every week.
Don't remember anyone walking out after Savage took a bell to Steamboat's throat. Don't remember anyone walking out when that Viper bit Savage. Don't remember anyone walking out when NAO stuck Mankind and Chainsaw Charlie in a dumpster and shoved it off the stage. Don't remember anyone walking out when The Undertaker and his Ministry were kidnapping people. Didn't they brainwash Simmons and Bradshaw?!
Rediculous. Could have at least have some more real havoc. This made no sense.

This made no sense to me. I agree completely. If they wanted the wrestlers to throw a fit, why not have them request more money, ala NBA lockout, then to completely say it is unsafe. Umm...you're a professional wrestler, there was 2 HIAC matches the night before, what do you mean you want a safe work environment? I would use a "lockout" angle and use it to promote young talent such as Zack Ryder and others who choose to not walk out. Then have the walk-outs get jealous of the scabs and their new titles, exposure, etc. creating a monster feud between the two. The way WWE did it, as usual, made no sense.

You can't have a lockout or strike without a union. In order to form a union, an employee gathers a group of other employees together, and eventually form. In this case, Otunga, the Harvard Law Grad who realistically understands unions more than anyone else does, gathered the other WWE superstars and are likely forming a union. He used "fear of their safety" specifically to get others to comply. Whether you think it's realistic or not, it's basically an exuse to form one.

Edit: My knowlege of unions is limited, so anyone who wishes to elborate, especially if I'm wrong, feel free.

After they form a union, I definitely agree a lockout or strike could be a great way to extend the storyline. Perhaps get younger talent like Cabana or Castagnoli as "replacements."

[subvert69]

I just kept waiting for either John Cena or C.M. Punk's music to hit and have one of them come out to talk some sense. Weird seeing every wrestler in the company out there but Punk, Cena, or Orton.

I'm interested to see where they go but it really seems like RAW is Triple H right now.

[swarm]

Oct 4, 2011 20:06:36 GMT -5 subvert69 said:

I'm interested to see where they go but it really seems like RAW is Triple H right now.

This sums it up well imo. I can't argue with anyone questioning why the wrestlers would walk out now when even more dangerous things have happened in the past. But I try to look at it like a lot of the roster just doesn't like/approve of HHH as COO and their willing to stick together (that's what unions do) rather than watch him hog the spotlight while throwing his weight around (which he has been doing from the start). Especially all the heels and even some of the faces. Just because a guy is considered a "good guy" doesn't automatically mean he's got HHH's back. That's how I'm trying to look at it.