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Post by Bazzy on Oct 12, 2011 8:33:27 GMT -5
Rob said "HHH biggest ego ever"
What about Hogan ?
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Post by Crimson Cross on Oct 12, 2011 9:23:13 GMT -5
Rob said "HHH biggest ego ever" What about Hogan ? HHH is in a whole different ball park than Hogan when it comes to their egos and with HHH now closer then ever in running the WWE, his ego has ballooned in size. If HHH as a wrestler has been bad when it comes to him being better then everyone else in his mind, him running the WWE only can get worse and that elevates his ego to a whole new level and it could mean bad things for the talent not in Trips clique...
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Post by Big Bri on Oct 12, 2011 10:16:52 GMT -5
Yeah it's getting real bad. I've been a fan since 1987 and I've never seen WWE be this bad. I don't know if it's just that I'm getting older and can predict what's going to happen most of the time or if the product has just changed that drastically...in a bad way.
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Post by floydthebarber on Oct 12, 2011 15:35:30 GMT -5
I think a few of you have hit the nail on the head when it comes to the monthly PPV’s forcing these hack writers to come up with something, anything relatively coherent in order to give their PPV’s some sense of purpose. In capable hands, you could build great, long term storylines that allow for intriguing match-ups for PPV’s, while building towards something bigger for the BIG 4 events. However, it looks like WWE is seriously lacking capable hands.
The other big problem is that WWE is not longer JUST about wrestling. They are a media giant, and outside of the mainstream WWE audience, there are only a handful of ‘known’ stars. John Cena and The Rock being the biggest…with Stone Cold probably just behind them. However, thanks to his position, and his savy ‘business’ sense, HHH has forced himself into that top group of ‘stars’, and thus its ‘good for business’ when he’s being put on a pedestal and made to look so awesome. He’s got a new straight to DVD movie coming out that’s being heavily advertised, to go along with the 1 or 2 he’s already had come out…so its in the WWE’s ‘best interests’ to have him on prominent display on WWE TV.
But you can’t just have him show up for no reason…he’s got to have heat…he’s got to be cool. And, as wrestling fans, we know that in his heyday, HHH was kind of cool at best...and it would have taken ages to re-establish HHH as a top contender seeing as he was out for so long, and his matches since he’s been back have been sub-par IMO…so what was HHH and WWE going to do?
Enter CM Punk.
Basically, instead of letting this whole CM Punk thing grow organically, and in the process, create at least one new SUPERstar, and possible a few others by virtue of association…HHH and the WWE jumped all over the little bump in interest, and used it for his own (and the ‘business’ of course) gain. Its actually pretty despicable really, and kind of pathetic…but WWE is big business…and someone in HHH’s position, with Vince in his corner, is going to be able to make a case for why he needs to be at the top of the fed right now. The fans can see through it. I’m sure a heck of a lot of wrestlers, including CM Punk see through it…and I’m sure the walkout angle is a ‘grain of truth’ reaction in terms of storyline to what the feeling is backstage…but unless buy rates drop immensely, or HHH’s movie tanks big time, this is just the way it is, and the way it will be.
CM Punk is a very sharp guy. He’s doing his job and playing along, earning his paycheque, putting up with the crappy writers, and HHH’s ego, and trying to make it work for him. I’ve got a lot of faith that he can make lemonade out of lemons, as he did by essentially creating his and Orton’s great feud from last year/this year essentially by himself…and as he did with his cut-like-a-diamond promo’s a couple months back…but its also pretty clear that he’s up against a company and a few powers that be that essentially don’t like him, don’t want him to be successful, and have no interest in making that happen unless bags of money start falling from the sky…but keep him around cause he’s a wild card, he’s got a brilliant wrestling mind, has tons of in ring talent, and he’s got ‘it’. Question is…will WWE harness that ‘it’ or simply tap into it, suck it dry for the good of the business, and bury him at the first opportunity?
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Oct 12, 2011 19:07:36 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to be the bad guy, Triple H supporting, WWEKoolade drinking, member of this board who still knows that no one writes better than the man, Tom! With that being said, I'm going to give this angle a little bit more of a chance. I think Triple H is playing the character he has played for years, but I don't know if he's necessarily trying to "hog the spotlight" and make himself look great. The crowd still appears to be popping to Triple H. Since returning from WM, he has played a COO that lost complete control of all but 3 WWE superstars. Both faces and heels have made him look incompetent. I don't understand how this is making himself look better. CM Punk storline-wise, has admitted (for now)that he mis-judged him and has smelled a rat of conspiritor in the form of John Laurenitas. I don't think Triple H is trying to bury or sideline Punk at all. He's going to be in a tag-team match with Punk on his team at a PPV. When was the last time he tagged with someone on a PPV and that guy got burried? In fact, I think that whether, Punk turns on him or stays allies with him, I think Triple H is trying to help put Punk over. Please don't think that I don't recognize Triple H has an ego, or has buried guys in the past, putting himself first. I just don't think this angle will be as bad as everyone thinks. That's not to say WWE is incapable of ruining it, but I'm going to be overly optimistic and give it a chance.
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Post by amazingbadger on Oct 12, 2011 20:32:45 GMT -5
Well CM Punk has already been sidelined a bit, if you ask me. I mean before Money in the Bank the focus was all on him, he was in one of the hottest angles in recent memory and then HHH got involved and it became all about him and John Laurenitis. Sure CM Punk is still involved but he's no longer the rebel, he's HHH's ally.
I'm sure I don't have to remind you who needed rescuing at the end of the show, and who was doing the rescuing.
Likewise Cena vs Alberto del Rio for the title has become secondary to this mess with Laurenitis and HHH. Is Punk even involved in that feud anymore?
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Post by floydthebarber on Oct 12, 2011 22:40:24 GMT -5
There can be no doubt that Punk has already been pushed aside. The question is this just short term, the dip before the final act of some grand plan to 'get them all' he's been cooking up (he looks like a short order cook, remember) for weeks...or a sign of things to come?
I think we all fear the worst, given the track record and sway of the people involved (HHH, Vince, Nash etc.) and the fact that even though he's playing a character, I don't think Punk is lying about the fact that people in the company don't like him, or what he stands for, or that he's not 'one of them'. He's got enemies.
There is still a chance this all ends up good for Punk...but its given that all this, one way or another, will end up good for HHH. Its just too obvious to any smart fan what HHH did here, and the fact that it's come at the cost of a fantastic 'what could have been' with Punk only makes it worse.
*and even if HHH is 'trying' to put Punk over, Punk didn't need it. They could have kept that Punk/Cena program going and it would have been gangbusters...throw Orton in there...Miz if you want...ADR...but at the core, its Punk/Cena. Now, its HHH is the core. He didn't need to be there. Good for HHH. Not good for pretty much everyone else.
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Oct 12, 2011 22:41:04 GMT -5
Sure CM Punk is still involved but he's no longer the rebel, he's HHH's ally. I'll admit he's not THE rebel, but he's still a rebel. Triple H isn't incharge anymore, John Laurnatis is. I'm sure I don't have to remind you who needed rescuing at the end of the show, and who was doing the rescuing. and how should that matter? If Triple H were getting his ass beat by Miz and Truth, followed by Punk saving him, would it make anyone feel like Triple H was less involved in the spotlight? Would anyone feel like Triple H is making Punk look better by Punk's comming to his aid instead? Likewise Cena vs Alberto del Rio for the title has become secondary to this mess with Laurenitis and HHH. Is Punk even involved in that feud anymore? Again, let's wait to see it pans out. I think this is all somehow all tied together and could create an intriguing payoff. The over-optimistic, TripleH supporting, WWEKoolaid drinking fan who still knows that Filsinger Games has the best writing ever is giving this angle a chance to pan out before he says it's no good. If I think the payoff sucks, believe me, I'll post it.
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Post by swarm on Oct 13, 2011 8:08:07 GMT -5
Again, let's wait to see it pans out. Regardless of how it "pans out" nothing is going to make the last several weeks of RAW good all of a sudden. I fully expect Punk to turn on HHH at Vengeance and be revealed as the guy pulling the strings. Hopefully, that will be awesome. But that has nothing to do with how awful RAW the HHH show has been since MITB. On top of that, it's all for none. Punk was already the hottest thing in the business without HHH getting involved.
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Post by Crimson Cross on Oct 13, 2011 8:46:23 GMT -5
I'm thinking we might see at Survivor Series HHH, Cena, Rock, Punk and Sheamus or Randy Orton on one team facing a Johnny Ace formed team to battle. It's one way to get all your egg's in one basket and HHH can still be in the spotlight with the popular stars. It would be nice to see CM Punk be the mastermind, but the way things have turned out it's nothing special...
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