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Post by Tournament Master on Jul 24, 2012 18:25:41 GMT -5
Loved it here too. Agree with most everything you've already said except I look forward to AJ as GM. I thought that was great and not expected. I'm thinking this crazy chick will come up with some interesting matches and ideas as GM. Actually I am ok with her as GM, just the way it was revealed seemed pretty weird and clunky. But I guess that is nit picky.
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Post by chewey on Jul 24, 2012 21:38:15 GMT -5
When they did that, my first thought was oh cool, they're doing another one of those commercial break-free Raws so they have to place products throughout the show. But no such luck. In any case, I can tolerate it if that was what they had to do to get better sponsorship to up the production on the 1000th Raw, but if they start doing it every week, I may just tune out of the three hour Raws and only look stuff up on youtube when you guys post in this forum and tell me what is cool. (Just don't everyone follow my lead or it won't work. ) I found most of the old timer spots refreshing.. somehow I knew that Slick was going to be the minister for the wedding since Brother Love and D-Von Dudley work for TNA, Jake the Snake is a joke, and I can't think of any other personality in WWE that played a religious leader at some point. Sean Mooney's return was awesome! When they originally teased an 'original' Raw personality, I was quickly debating in my head whether I would care to see Rob Bartlett on my screen, but how can I forget Sean Mooney in the Event Center, when they flashed out to him in order to spare us the 'murder' of Damien the Snake by Earthquake sitting on him? Lawler spelling out for us that "CM Punk turned his back on the WWE Universe" can easily be rebutted by CM Punk either saying that he never cared if the WWE Universe was behind him anyway, or by giving the ROH fans what they've wanted for a full year now... the "Old Man and the Snake" speech. Problem is there's no way they are going to be able to keep Punk heel if it's predicated on him being jealous of the Rock. Most of the hardcore fans were behind Cena going into Wrestlemania including many who have never cheered for Cena before. CM Punk will tear the Rock apart verbally to the point where casual/lapsed fans might come back to cheer the Rock, but those of us who have been following WWE loyally even through the Evolution/Cena/PG Era are going to be behind the main roster talent who busts his ass throughout the year and doesn't just waltz in to steal the spotlight whenever he's bored. I can see Payback's point about not having more matches in a full THREE HOUR telecast, but last night it didn't bother me that much. HOWEVER, if this is the norm for the weeks to come, along with the shameless advertising, and WITHOUT the one-time refreshing appearances of Shawn, Taker, etc., then WWE may be increasingly difficult to watch again. Which would be a damn shame. My brothers came over to watch Raw with me last night and made the comment that wrestling, and the WWE in general, was getting good again. Please don't ruin it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 0:48:37 GMT -5
Okay I stand corrected. 7 years. He still doesn't deserve a title shot, especially when you have a roster of guys busting their rears for that spot. He's the biggest star they have (albeit not a regular star) and he just beat WWE's top guy in the main event of the most bought WWE Pay-Per-View ever. I agree that everyone they have are busting their rears, but at the end of the day the harsh reality is most fans don't care about them. The fans care about Rock, he just beat Cena, it's at the Royal Rumble for the love of God...why not give him the shot? It's not like there was anyone else who could challenge for it that people would believe could win. I mean, in the past few years there haven't really been any matches (save for Punk/Ziggler and the three way cage match this year) where I thought the title was going to change hands at the Rumble.
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Post by Shon Maxx on Jul 25, 2012 2:46:19 GMT -5
The fans don't care because the WWE won't push anyone else, save for Bryan and Punk.
And even if Rock sent the ratings and buyrates through the roof just by taking off his glasses (FYI, He hasn't, even when wrestling), he's not a full time wrestler, and I doubt he's going to be again. You don't put the biggest title in the WWE on someone who wrestles part time.
I'll be okay with it if RR is his one shot and he loses, but what if he wins? Will he wrestle a full-time schedule, or will he become another Hogan, defending his belt once in a blue moon against his buddies?
Bring him onto the show once and a while, but keep him away from the belt. That's for guys who show up and bust their rears EVERY DAY.
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Post by swarm on Jul 25, 2012 6:06:31 GMT -5
I hated the show. The PPV's are still worth watching, the TV show is dead. Here's all you need to know about where WWE is right now -
The opening package pretty much highlighted tons of dramatic moments having nothing to do with actually wrestling. It was all stuff outside of the ring, or after a match. I think Mick Foley winning the title has been the sole mention of any historic title change, reign, or anything wrestling/championship related on the first 1000 RAW's. Everything else featured skits. Then 3 and a half hours later the show ends with a DQ in the Main Event. lol
A few years ago the dirt sheets were all saying how Vince had no more interest in wrestling and instead wanted to actually turn RAW into a "TV show". Well, it's happened. On air plugs for WWE merchandise. social media partnerships, toys, video games, and other things took up at least 1 full hour of the three hours -- not including the actual real commercials. Sorry, can't be entertained by that. How about Regis Philbin saying "I've been a sports entertainment fan my whole life!" lol I probably could have shut it off right there.
I thought Daniel Bryan and his facial expressions were by far the best thing on the show. Sad that on the 1000th RAW he doesn't get the chance to show case his greatest strength, his wrestling skills, but this is RAW so that's my fault for thinking otherwise. The wedding itself was by far the laziest one they've ever done. Couple props, Slick, that's it. I feel like it could have been a lot funnier it it wasn't so rushed.
I think cramming your "World Champion" into a six man tag team match on the under card with a guy who just a year ago he killed at MITB was pretty lazy and stupid. Why would Sin Cara want to be cool with Sheamus? Those guys are natural enemies. Dumb. They couldn't have given us another sweet Sheamus vs. Jericho 20 minute classic? Priorities.
There was just tons of stupid shit on this show that doesn't need repeating. At this point, the silly Legends cameos do nothing for me. Lita wrestling was ok but the rest of that segment was recycled shit. I did appreciate them giving Miz the IC Title and trying to put it over as important even if the match itself was basic and forgettable.
The ending was dumb. Jesus, I'd HOPE CM Punk not help Cena. Why would he? Just cause he's a "good guy"? Punk hates Cena since last summer. Hey WWE, I remember what you did last summer. And so does everyone else. Acting like Punk is some conflicted, honorable champion brimming with personal pride is a fing joke. CM Punk is a heel in real life and he's a heel in the storyline whether they realize it or not. Just because people cheer him doesn't mean his character would ever like Cena or the Rock. Especially how they've all been written the past year or more when interacting with each other. CM Punk makes all the same smarky, snotty, stuck up POS faces that HBK does. And he does it ALL the time. Honorable heroes don't play rolly eye games and act like stuck up skater kids. Let's face it. CM Punk hates the fans, hates his boss, hates most of his co-workers and he definitely hates the Rock. He makes none of this a secret. He's also been playing warm-up spot to Cena during his whole title reign. So why him not wanting to help Cena makes sense to me. Him wanting to kick the Rock's ass is again no surprise. Why wouldn't he? Cause again, they're both "good guys"? Whatever. I "get it" in the "I'm a dumb wrestling fan and this is how it works" way but I swear if WWE would just honor their own history, and the history of the characters they write and develop this would all write itself. God forbid they just let it be Punk vs. Rock and let both say what they have to say, then fight. Let the FANS choose who they want to cheer. Instead we go off the air with Micheal Cole directing us stupid fans to boo Punk now, letting us know he's "turned his back on the WWE Universe". lol sorry I'm not that stupid. Did the Rock "turn his back on the WWE Universe" last year when he Rock Bottomed Cena? Just sayin'. Anyway, when it was over I was exhausted and very disappointed. Horrible show and lazy effort all around imo.
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 25, 2012 15:35:57 GMT -5
we're too old for this. it's aimed at little kids that don't expect logic. they waste so much time...and yet still don't manage to build the young talent through interviews or storylines. and Why they heck was Rock helping Cena?! How does that make sense.stupid.
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Post by jeromy1983 on Jul 26, 2012 5:06:53 GMT -5
I enjoyed the show, but like others have mentioned next week will be the new format for the show and the only logical reason for making a wrestling show longer is to add more wrestling (hopefully). I can see Punk's heel turn more like he's sick of being the WWE champion, supposedly the top title in the industry, then playing midcard to guys past their prim like Cena and Rock, he'll probably name drop HHH and Brock main eventing Summerslam to prove his point. I hope he doesn't drop the belt at the Rumble, but instead holds it until WM and Daniel Bryan wins the Rumble so those two give a 30+ minute classic headlining WM.
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