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Post by swarm on Sept 27, 2012 8:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by swarm on Sept 27, 2012 8:51:53 GMT -5
Personally, I think the NFL was better with the replacement refs. They did a better job of not throwing every single flag, and they didn't favor anybody. I got a kick out of watching Packers and Steelers players looked stunned when calls didn't always go their way the first three weeks. I really felt like for the first time in a long time the NFL was on a level playing field. Sure, the replacement refs screwed up some ball placements and took a little longer to make decisions, but they could have learned.
This is one of those situations where I don't think the majority of people are looking at the bigger picture here. The old refs messed up weekly. They are going to do it again. The guys the NFL then brings in (will these substitute refs come from the current replacement ref pool?) are going to screw up too. Then what? Are the Packers going to walk off the field like a bunch of children? Is John Gruden going to have another heart attack on camera? Or will everyone under-react the same way they over-reacted to all of this? How soon before the refs are making bad calls weekly and the NFL vehemently defends it? How frustrated will you be then? Anyone else remember a few years ago when the Steelers beat the Cards in the SB? EVERY single game in those playoffs had major, controversial calls by the refs, including the Super Bowl! It was uncanny. But here we are begging for these same fools back. Delusional.
From a purely societal psychological study, the whole thing is fascinating to me. The way the media so easily spins people into a fury is incredible to me. The old refs used to make calls just as bad and worse as what we saw in the Packers/Seahawks game, but because the union is protected, the media, the announcers, the NFL never says boo about it. They stood by every single bad call, and happily trotted that union junkie Mike Pereria out on TV every time to lie to viewers and tell us how the refs made the right call. Later on, refs (obviously tortured with guilt) came out and admitted they handed the Steelers a SB. NO ONE CARED. No one said shit. Ya know why? The media didn't talk about it. But now fans like to act like the past three weeks have been this horribly never seen before officiated football and claim they aren't persuaded by the media. Haha ya right.
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Post by pikemojo on Sept 27, 2012 8:54:36 GMT -5
Yep, rather than just training the new refs they will cave and pay the old refs whatever they want. And the next time the refs decide they deserve more they will shut the NFL down again and 3 weeks later get paid whatever they want.
All the while cities and states (meaning the 47% of us that still pay taxes) are paying to build new stadiums for these teams. cough*Minnesota Vikings*cough Cut 'em loose. Let them try to find greener pastures.
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Post by wildfire on Sept 27, 2012 13:23:09 GMT -5
Wow... I can't believe someone would actually be in favor of those scab refs. Didn't throw flags? There were 24 ACCEPTED penalties in the Packers/Seahawks game.. and several others.
It wasn't just the final play... it was the absurd pass interference call right before it, and the almost as bad roughing the passer call that took an int away. I'm an AFC guy, so I can't say I care personally, but I think Packers fans have every reason to be upset.
The Pats should at least be 2-1, if not 3-0. The refs during the Ravens game were just ridiculous (for both sides). The field goal at the end wasn't even the biggest thing. Juilan Edelman got a Offensive PI call because he got up and celebrated too much for the referees liking, that killed a drive that likely would have made the game a rout. That one had 24 penalties also, btw.
Never mind the phantom holding call on Gronk the week before that took away the game winning TD.
I'm sure other games were just as bad, those are just the ones I personally watched.
Never mind that 4 or 5 times every game someone at the league office has to stop them from screwing basic rules up.
While I agree the regular guys are greedy a-holes, they at least do a good job. Goddell should have fired the lot of them 4 months ago and hired good college guys (like the SEC or Big 10 guys). The problem was he had to go to the bottom of the barrel for the replacements.
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 27, 2012 14:13:19 GMT -5
From a purely societal psychological study, the whole thing is fascinating to me. The way the media so easily spins people into a fury is incredible to me. The old refs used to make calls just as bad and worse as what we saw in the Packers/Seahawks game, but because the union is protected, the media, the announcers, the NFL never says boo about it. They stood by every single bad call, and happily trotted that union junkie Mike Pereria out on TV every time to lie to viewers and tell us how the refs made the right call. Later on, refs (obviously tortured with guilt) came out and admitted they handed the Steelers a SB. NO ONE CARED. No one said shit. Ya know why? The media didn't talk about it. But now fans like to act like the past three weeks have been this horribly never seen before officiated football and claim they aren't persuaded by the media. Haha ya right. Very true. This whole thing has been a great example of the way a good percentage of the general public is completely swayed by media manipulation, "group think", and the lynch mob mentality. When it became "cool" to bash these replacement refs because someone on a sports show said so, the piling on began. They were not as polished as the bad refs they were replacing, but the narrative rules the day; and the narrative was that the old NFL refs, although bad, were shining beacons of the game and will be heralded as returning heroes instead of bashed relentlessly like they have been for----blowing calls and missing penalties every week just like these guys did (only on a somewhat smaller scale). The NFL must be loving the storyline, too. The referee debacle sure made everyone forget about the head injury and suicide hoopla (another "story" sensationalized by the media), numerous felons and drug traffikers of the league, and that whole putting bounties on players heads deal, huh? It seems kind of tame in comparison to the leagues real problems. |
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Post by Pete on Sept 27, 2012 22:39:56 GMT -5
Re: "the real refs screw up, too." You're comparing a sample size of 20 or 30 years' worth of bad calls that we remember to a sample size of 3 weeks, and at BEST the replacement refs come out even. Maybe.
And...wait, head injuries and suicides are "sensationalized"? Did they not actually happen? Is Jim McMahon just seeking out attention when he says he has onsetting dementia at age 53?
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Post by Pete on Sept 27, 2012 22:42:52 GMT -5
If "no one cared" about the Steelers/Seahawks SB then we're looking at completely different media. A lot of people sure as hell "cared" about the calls in that game.
This is the same pro-Union media that absolutely castigates the "greedy players" during any work stoppage and is seemingly incapable of differentiating between a lockout and a strike (you won't believe how many people in general thought the referees and the NFL players last season were "on strike").
Guess what: in any labor slapfight between players and officials and multibillionaire owners who mostly get free stadiums, I'm tending to side with the players and officials.
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Post by Pete on Sept 27, 2012 22:50:50 GMT -5
Yep, rather than just training the new refs they will cave and pay the old refs whatever they want. And the next time the refs decide they deserve more they will shut the NFL down again and 3 weeks later get paid whatever they want. Actually, all the officials were asking for was what they already had. It was the NFL who wanted to slash benefits and attempt to make them replaceable. One of the reasons I think the NFL caved (because I'm not a conspiracy theorist who thinks of "The Media" as this massive Borg-like collective, much less one with a pro-Union agenda) is because the officials were in no hurry whatsoever to get those NFL paydays. "Greener pastures"? Almost every official employed by the league works a day job as a lawyer, a doctor, a college professor, business owner, or some other rather prestigious, high-paying job. These aren't players who make an artform out of squandering multimillion dollar salaries. I'm sure officials would rather be on the field than not--you have to love what you do to be a successful one. But there's not a single member of that Union who was starving for cash, which meant they were prepared to hold out as long as they wanted. Which turned out to not be that long. |
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 27, 2012 23:12:34 GMT -5
And...wait, head injuries and suicides are "sensationalized"? Did they not actually happen? Is Jim McMahon just seeking out attention when he says he has onsetting dementia at age 53? I would suggest condensing your responses down to one post; it just makes it an easier read and looks less "fly off the handle reactionary". With that out of the way...... Sensationalized. Yes. It does not mean fabricated. Here, let me help you from having to look it up. sen·sa·tion·al·ize
To cast and present in a manner intended to arouse strong interest, especially through inclusion of exaggerated or lurid details.
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Post by Pete on Sept 27, 2012 23:16:24 GMT -5
[quote author=marktaggart board=nfl thread=11538
Sensationalized. Yes. It does not mean fabricated. Here, let me help you from having to look it up.
sen·sa·tion·al·ize
To cast and present in a manner intended to arouse strong interest, especially through inclusion of exaggerated or lurid details.
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So what specific details were exaggerated?
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