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Post by Vidtek on Dec 15, 2012 12:19:47 GMT -5
But Swarm, what about the other side of the coin? What about the obvious bigots with their Confederate flags shouting "OBAMA SUCKS!" and screaming that allowing homosexuals the same rights to marriage is the end of moral society? What about crazy people who are on their meds, should they just be locked away too? Or those who have found a way to cope without medication or killing people? Who SHOULD be allowed to vote? Only Christians? Only whites? Only fully sane people? How do you know you are sane? Did you know thinking in a voice, even your own, is a sign of insanity? As is dreaming in color and talking to yourself. Everyone is crazy, it's just to what degree.
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Post by The B-Mack on Dec 15, 2012 13:31:14 GMT -5
So true! And those same people are now using this tragedy and exploiting the victims to push their gun control agenda. Tasteless.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 15, 2012 15:17:18 GMT -5
I have an honest question. Why don't schools have armed security? One other person in that school with a gun and that guy might have been killed before he could've done anything.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 15, 2012 15:18:41 GMT -5
i don't understand what's happend to this country. there were always guns, but not always mass shootings. I think because the media glorifies it to a certain degree. They immediately become infamous and it plants the seeds in the heads of other sick fucks to do similar things. |
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Post by cruefan68 on Dec 15, 2012 16:52:55 GMT -5
Just a sickening story, what has this world come to? I can't even bring myself to watch the news anymore. Wishing my best to all of the families of the victims.
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Post by Big Bri on Dec 15, 2012 20:56:30 GMT -5
As soon I saw this unfolding on TV I gave each of my kids (3 & 1) a big hug and a kiss and told them I loved them very much. I hope all the other parents on here did the same.
These shootings are always hard to swallow but it's 10X worse when you have little ones of your own. Prayers for everyone in Newtown, CT.
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Post by Shon Maxx on Dec 16, 2012 16:14:10 GMT -5
I agree, Bri. Instead of going off and pointing fingers, whether politically or religiously (Several of my Facebook 'friends' have been doing both), the important thing here is that so many people have lost something in this tragedy, and especially so close to a holiday. My heart goes out to the victims, their families, and their friends, since it sounds like this affected everyone in the town.
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Post by chewey on Dec 16, 2012 18:02:36 GMT -5
i don't understand what's happend to this country. there were always guns, but not always mass shootings. I do. It's called De institutionalization of the Mentally Ill pushed in the 80's. Liberals decided it was wrong to take care of people who couldn't take care of themselves so they put them out to live on the street. Liberals decided it was mentally ill people's right not to take their medicine if they choose to though they can't really make a sound decision because (shocking) they are mentally ill. Many of the poor souls that were freed from those group homes have ended up as the homeless folks we see in every city. So now, instead of institutionalizing young people who have no real place in society, we diagnose them with whatever allows us to keep them drugged up 24/7. One day they decide to stop taking their meds, and BOOM. Bombs go off. Some people try to kill just themselves, others try to kill a bunch a kids in a school. WE cannot understand it because it is not a sane thought to be understood. It's insane, and insane people belong locked up away from the rest of us. This kid should have been locked up in mental institution. Read about him. He had tons of problems. He was on tons of drugs (or probably off them however you want to look at it). The problem with this argument is who pays for this institutionalizing? Mental health is expensive as hell to treat. Pharmaceutical companies make a ton of money every year selling drugs - a lot of which some believe to be expensive placebos, but which nonetheless drive up the price of medicines people actually need. Plus it costs a lot of money to institutionalize. But I think most people - liberal or conservative - would argue that those who are sick should be forced to bear the greatest burden of that expense. It's more a question of where you draw the line between what the individual should be responsible for, and where the state should intervene. I do believe it is a serious issue that our criminal justice system only allows us to punish people who have committed crimes. There are tons of people who get out of prison who everyone knows is going to commit a crime again, and victims of previous assaults that know these guys are gunning after them as soon as they've finished serving time. But we can't lock people up out of anticipation that they MIGHT do something bad, not under the current system. Think of all of the things that you could probably get in trouble for if they punished based on what you MIGHT do (by 'you' I mean anyone reading this post). I do think there is a serious problem in that a lot of people knew this kid was messed up for a very long time. His doctor knew he had a personality disorder. His mother's neighbors knew that she was dealing with a lot on her plate, so they also knew that this was a problem. This situation didn't just pop up as a shock to a lot of people and could probably have been monitored better. Plus, nobody has any idea why if the mother knew her son was messed up, why she owned so many dangerous weapons in the first place. |
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Post by chewey on Dec 16, 2012 18:11:41 GMT -5
On a more inspirational note, I think the story of Victoria Soto does help restore some faith back about our society today, much like the story of all of the boyfriends who shielded their girlfriends and sacrificed their lives at the Batman screening.
Victoria Soto was a 27-year old who hid all of her students in closets and cabinets. When the gunman came and asked her where the children were, she said they were at the gym. He shot her and then moved on. Her students may possibly be alive today only because of her selfless decision and ability to think on her feet.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 16, 2012 20:22:15 GMT -5
My aunt suffers from schizophrenia. It took about a decade for her to get on her meds and stay on her meds. She was hospitalized multiple times in the 90s but they could never keep her for more than 72 hours. So they would get her on medication again, have to push her out the door and then she was free to be a menace to society again as she got off the medication again. She needed to be hospitalized long term. It was a very frustrating experience.
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