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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 16:40:41 GMT -5
I'd say the fact that, aside from the whole Hooligans/Wolves thing when Bobby couldn't get into Canada and the Bucks' short reign, they've been the tag champs for the better part of the past year at least makes an argument for Kyle needing an upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 16:42:39 GMT -5
I think finishers are important, but they're only a part of what makes a card in my mind. Power and agility, (c), chart ratings, and choice charts can have just as much of an impact on a match as finishers, albeit in a more subtle way. As can add 1s and PIN ratings. I'll even go one further and say that rather than have such a big disparity in PIN ratings (tho this is much more even in the ROH set than some others) concentrate on the down-3s and add 1 moves instead of 7(4) PINs and higher. Well said. There are more than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to stat a card (and play it). The game isn't based on who can roll their super powerful finisher first. It's about the total of each card and how all their strengths and weakeners play vs. each other. User decision making (ch charts and (c)) are HUGE. A guy with a -3 move that can be hit by rolling up (c) is a big advantage. My best advice to all player is utilize every rule possible because every rule is taken into consideration when the cards are designed. |
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Post by aceldamas on Jun 11, 2014 16:44:06 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't referring to just LOTF b&w cards. I think the ROH cards are definitely stronger than most of those. I was talking about the legends sets. Or the game as a whole. One of the highlights of this game is that you can mix up all of the cards and have dream matches what have you. Stacked up against the older cards, the color ones come up short. I just see inconsistencies. I would chalk it up to different design teams.
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Post by Sam Fain on Jun 11, 2014 16:46:08 GMT -5
I hate to keep going back to this but ch charts purposely have A LOT to do with how powerful a card is. That's something the popular rahl ratings never take into place and I know a lot of fans don't use them. I could not agree more! The choice charts add such depth to the game. They even give the promoter a good deal of influence over the flow of a match. So not only do some guys have a potential "extra" level 3 move, but sometimes choosing the move that's not necessarily in the wrestler's best interest or taking a risk adds a little more drama or gives you more influence as to who might have an advantage. |
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Post by executioner on Jun 11, 2014 16:47:33 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't referring to just LOTF b&w cards. I think the ROH cards are definitely stronger than most of those. I was talking about the legends sets. Or the game as a whole. One of the highlights of this game is that you can mix up all of the cards and have dream matches what have you. Stacked up against the older cards, the color ones come up short. I just see inconsistencies. I would chalk it up to different design teams. Dice of course have a lot to do with the outcome. I regularly mix the current B&W LOW guys with the Color Indy sets and often get the result I would expect in real life. Not always, but often. Of course, when my dice are in a mood, WATCH OUT--Anything can, and usually does, happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 16:48:00 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't referring to just LOTF b&w cards. I think the ROH cards are definitely stronger than most of those. I was talking about the legends sets. Or the game as a whole. One of the highlights of this game is that you can mix up all of the cards and have dream matches what have you. Stacked up against the older cards, the color ones come up short. I just see inconsistencies. I would chalk it up to different design teams. Ah ya, my bad dude. ya the LOW cards will always be stronger. That's the way Tom has it designed. The new indy sets are fed specific while at the same time still pretty mix and matchable since everyone who stats them are pals and we all work together behind the scenes on this stuff. LOW is king and legends are gonna have big stats. I'm cool with that. You could probably mix and match them and still get some Indy upsets. The dice don't care about stats sometimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 16:55:41 GMT -5
Mixing the LOW stuff with the color cards can produce some really WTF outcomes...like Tursas and Andre losing to Sara del Rey and Eddie Edwards.
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Post by MonkeyDBain on Jun 11, 2014 17:43:40 GMT -5
OK, this is why I like to come on and express my opinion, cause ya come in a discuss it and make me see a different point of view.
I don't mix my b/w with color. Oh and Kyle O'Reilly has done great for me, even ended Kevin Steen's World title run.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 18:03:23 GMT -5
OK, this is why I like to come on and express my opinion, cause ya come in a discuss it and make me see a different point of view. It's fun to talk about statting cards and see how people would do things differently. It's part of what makes this community fun. |
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Post by MonkeyDBain on Jun 17, 2014 13:32:34 GMT -5
American Dragon's art is perfect. May be Werner's best work ever. For his ROH card you could not ask for a better piece of art.
I can't wait to find out the final 2. Still hoping for Silas Young, but considering it could be anyone at this point, I will be happy with anyone... except maybe Cheeseburger... too early for him.
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