Bootlegs coming soon...

[TTX]

June Byers for the win.

[Slymm]

Final products all look great, nice work. Thanks for sharing.

[Vegas]

I clicked on and quickly looked over your stats for Abdullah the Butcher.

I really like your moveset for the card, however I noticed you did not include a way for the deathjump to be included in the offense. I would recommend changing the (ch D) on the big splash to a (ch G) or a (ch H.)

[TTX]

I think that was on purpose. Some wrestlers simply never deathjumped and its a bit weird forcing it on nearly every card.

[joebreakdown]

Looking forward to receiving these!

[Vegas]

Sept 9, 2018 6:22:43 GMT -5 TTX said:

I think that was on purpose. Some wrestlers simply never deathjumped and its a bit weird forcing it on nearly every card.

I know, but technically it is supposed to be there at least through a (ch G) or (ch H.) Frank Gotch for example really did not throw people out of the ring but out of the ring is still on his card as a requirement.

[TTX]

yes but other than one wrestler (George Hackenschmidt which was likely an oversight) none of the vintage guys have it. I mean you can put it on the card. It won't break a card either way but with some of the bigger guys it's not there..for instance Man-Mountain and Giant Azuma.

[justme]

Troy is correct, most the vintage guys have no death jump capabilities and actually out of the ring was quite prevalent in even turn of the last century wrestling, it just wasn't as likely to with chairs, posts, crowd brawls etc.

Abby has no deathjump and won't have one added on my end, however (In best Tom font...) It's up to you promoter! If you want Abby diving off the top, feel free to change it up on your end, but he is one of a very small number of boots I have made that have no deathjump by intent. (There have definitely been a few that it has snuck by and been an oversight, but not this one, lol)

And really, historically, until very recently, the big men (Haystacks, Monsoon, Humphrey, Man-Mountain, Crabtree, etc) never even remotely climbed. One Man Gang really kind of opened that door and then people like Vader and Bigelow kicked it off the hinges. But I prefer to have them as close to "accurate" (such a misleading term in a wrestling game, lol) as possible.

No big deal either way, if you want your big men diving, just swap the D's and E's for H's and G's (poetic, see?). But for my boots (and peace of mind, lol) when i make them for the old school big men, you won't find a death jump option, lol.

Would love to hear others opinions on that however, what do the rest of you think on it? Deathjumps on big men or no?

[jwar]

www.thesportster.com/wrestling/15-pro-wrestlers-that-couldnt-climb-to-the-top-rope/

The TLDR list.

15. The Great Khali
14. Raven
13. Tommy Dreamer
12. King Kong Bundy
11. Abdullah the Butcher
10. Bastion Booger
09. Giant Gonzalez
08. Bad Luck Fale
07. Giant Haystacks
06. Sid (of Many Names) If you never saw what happend when he did try it once, don't watch with a full stomach.
04. Happy Humphrey
03. King Mabel
02. Yokozuna
01. Goldberg

If they never did it at all, or in Sid's case tragically, I got no problem it being left off.

[Vegas]

Sept 9, 2018 12:44:44 GMT -5 justme said:

actually out of the ring was quite prevalent in even turn of the last century wrestling, it just wasn't as likely to with chairs, posts, crowd brawls etc.

not saying it wasn't as I was not referring to the time period in general, instead I was just specifically talking about Frank Gotch himself. One of the members of the LOW team who did the research and stats writing for the official Frank Gotch card told me the out of the ring move for his card is there for rules purposes and not because Gotch actually threw people out of the ring during his matches.