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Post by Darth Turkish on Feb 25, 2008 11:16:17 GMT -5
It always bothered me when the Rock Bottom or Book End was called an uranage. They are actually closer to o soto gari. I actually asked my Sensei this. He actually sat there with me for five minutes trying to figure it out. He said it was more like a nidan osoto, but that maybe because I told him that the Rock swept both legs, which he may not do. I agree, Mr. Dalton, it is more of an osoto gari. |
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Post by TDalton on Feb 25, 2008 20:14:29 GMT -5
I actually asked my Sensei this. He actually sat there with me for five minutes trying to figure it out. He said it was more like a nidan osoto, but that maybe because I told him that the Rock swept both legs, which he may not do. I agree, Mr. Dalton, it is more of an osoto gari. I always thought it was closer to o soto gari or o soto guruma. Maybe we should call Jim Ross to let him know.  Check out the Hase version here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6STqtyM18 |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Feb 25, 2008 20:38:20 GMT -5
I actually asked my Sensei this. He actually sat there with me for five minutes trying to figure it out. He said it was more like a nidan osoto, but that maybe because I told him that the Rock swept both legs, which he may not do. I agree, Mr. Dalton, it is more of an osoto gari. I always thought it was closer to o soto gari or o soto guruma. Maybe we should call Jim Ross to let him know. I admit I was not really into wrestling any longer when I started up again, but I knew from my own research that that move was a very not rightly named uranage. Ahhhh.... now THAT is a uranage! And now I can see the evolution from that move to the Rock Bottom. Now that I remember, Good Ol' JR did always call it a 'modified uranage', which is, on some level, technically true. Domo Arrigoto, Dalton Sensei. |
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Post by antimony on Feb 27, 2008 20:36:44 GMT -5
Okay, two-part question, in re: Silas' card.
1) What is a foot stop throw? I've done a search for it, and I've seen several judo (I think) sites that list it as one of several requirements to progress from one belt to another, and
2) what makes the "Russian-styled" version different from an ordinary, run of the mill foot stop throw?
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Post by Darth Turkish on Feb 28, 2008 7:04:33 GMT -5
Japanese tranlation: 'saese tsuri komi ashi'- it is a foot sweep that the thrower steps off to the side while blocking the opponent's feet and keeping his forward momentum.
Russian judoka are notorious for getting a very strong over- the- collar and down- the- back grip- it draws the opponemt in very close and gives them less ime to counter.
The Russian Saese is a move that a few of my old sensei's students that wrestled used with gfreat effect.
I'll have to look for a link tonight when I get home from our meet.
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Post by antimony on Feb 28, 2008 12:57:35 GMT -5
it is a foot sweep that the thrower steps off to the side while blocking the opponent's feet and keeping his forward momentum. Pronoun confusion, no doubt caused by my peanut brain. The thrower steps off to the side while blocking the opponent's feet and keeping the opponent's forward momentum, yes? (Thus causing him to fall.) So you trip the opponent, and use the momentum caused by him falling to throw him. And the Russian style is basically the same thing, but with a stronger grip up top, presumably allowing you to throw him down with greater force and/or make it harder to resist. Am I on the right track? |
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Post by TDalton on Feb 28, 2008 13:41:30 GMT -5
PS - you're correct. Here's a very good instructional version of sasae tsuri-komi ashi. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVeE2mcOin0By the way, the big Russian doing the demo is Arkadiy Aronov from Spartak Judo in NYC, who I have known for years and always brings his team to compete in Buffalo at the Am-Can International Judo Challenge every Memorial Day weekend. |
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Post by antimony on Feb 28, 2008 13:55:22 GMT -5
Thanks! That video was very helpful.
That's one of my new favorite moves, because it's the only video I've seen where the guy having the move done to him didn't look like he might have died as a result.
That said, it looks like the sort of move where you would feel really stupid if you got caught with it.
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Post by TDalton on Feb 28, 2008 14:03:02 GMT -5
Generally, it's a move you can use in combination with others, usually leading the opponent in one direction, then coming back with sasae in the other.
As far as not getting killed with it, the video demonstrated how you would throw someone in practice. In competition, you would go to the mat with the opponent and land on him. I wouldn't want Arkadiy landing on me. He's a big dude.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Feb 28, 2008 14:27:35 GMT -5
Dalton Sensei rocks!
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