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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 17, 2009 21:04:23 GMT -5
Troy, I hope to see that Ultramantis Black eventually starts up the Order of the Neo Solar Temple in your fed...he obviously has plans to take over LOW...and the world! If he does, he had better get some better talent than Dirge, Brawler, and Hayne. No offense to those guys or anyone who likes them (I happen to like them all and use them in my fed), but those guys are not on a par with Albright, Butcher, Stevens, Pearce, or Landell. If I was trying to take over, I would want to get the top talent...otherwise, it will be about as effective and Raven's Flock in WCW. {Read as: Mid-Card For Life} That should stir the pot or kill the thread.... |
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 17, 2009 21:05:41 GMT -5
If he does, he had better get some better talent than Dirge, Brawler, and Hayne. No offense to those guys or anyone who likes them (I happen to like them all and use them in my fed), but those guys are not on a par with Albright, Butcher, Stevens, Pearce, or Landell. If I was trying to take over, I would want to get the top talent...otherwise, it will be about as effective and Raven's Flock in WCW. {Read as: Mid-Card For Life} That should stir the pot or kill the thread.... Given UMB's past...I think Dirge and Hayne are perfec t fits.  |
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 17, 2009 21:10:04 GMT -5
If he does, he had better get some better talent than Dirge, Brawler, and Hayne. No offense to those guys or anyone who likes them (I happen to like them all and use them in my fed), but those guys are not on a par with Albright, Butcher, Stevens, Pearce, or Landell. If I was trying to take over, I would want to get the top talent...otherwise, it will be about as effective and Raven's Flock in WCW. {Read as: Mid-Card For Life} That should stir the pot or kill the thread.... Given UMB's past...I think Dirge and Hayne are perfec t fits. I have to admit that I have limited exposure to UBM. A few bouts and some youtube stuff, but not nearly the amount of Pearce or Albright or Delirious...So I will take your word for it. We'll see how he fits into the CCW |
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Post by Knapik on Feb 17, 2009 21:51:55 GMT -5
Troy, I hope to see that Ultramantis Black eventually starts up the Order of the Neo Solar Temple in your fed...he obviously has plans to take over LOW...and the world! If he does, he had better get some better talent than Dirge, Brawler, and Hayne. No offense to those guys or anyone who likes them (I happen to like them all and use them in my fed), but those guys are not on a par with Albright, Butcher, Stevens, Pearce, or Landell. If I was trying to take over, I would want to get the top talent...otherwise, it will be about as effective and Raven's Flock in WCW. {Read as: Mid-Card For Life} That should stir the pot or kill the thread.... I guess you'd have to know the Order Sam Hayne is a shoo-in! |
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Post by bluelantern on Feb 18, 2009 23:34:05 GMT -5
If he does, he had better get some better talent than Dirge, Brawler, and Hayne. No offense to those guys or anyone who likes them (I happen to like them all and use them in my fed), but those guys are not on a par with Albright, Butcher, Stevens, Pearce, or Landell. If I was trying to take over, I would want to get the top talent...otherwise, it will be about as effective and Raven's Flock in WCW. {Read as: Mid-Card For Life} That should stir the pot or kill the thread.... Given UMB's past...I think Dirge and Hayne are perfec t fits. Not on par with Necro Butcher? WTF? I HOPE you mean stat-wise in this game. Just because someone has gotten a bigger name or rep does NOT mean they are better at what they do. Necor is God-awful, but people love to see him hurt himself. The only reason a guy like Dirge isn't better in the game is because of the people writing the cards. |
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 18, 2009 23:43:09 GMT -5
Not on par with Necro Butcher? WTF? I HOPE you mean stat-wise in this game. Just because someone has gotten a bigger name or rep does NOT mean they are better at what they do. Necor is God-awful, but people love to see him hurt himself. The only reason a guy like Dirge isn't better in the game is because of the people writing the cards. The stats for the cards are written in terms of who traditionally is the biggest name, with those guys getting the best stats. Thats the essence of professional wrestling. Just because someone is a better "worker" doesn't mean they should have better stats as a "wrestler". |
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Post by bluelantern on Feb 19, 2009 0:15:56 GMT -5
Not on par with Necro Butcher? WTF? I HOPE you mean stat-wise in this game. Just because someone has gotten a bigger name or rep does NOT mean they are better at what they do. Necor is God-awful, but people love to see him hurt himself. The only reason a guy like Dirge isn't better in the game is because of the people writing the cards. The stats for the cards are written in terms of who traditionally is the biggest name, with those guys getting the best stats. Thats the essence of professional wrestling. Just because someone is a better "worker" doesn't mean they should have better stats as a "wrestler". You're over-simplifying the process in that reply. Everyone knows Colin Delaney from his WWE tenure, would that make him the defacto best guy in LOTF if you signed him? Even though his gimmick was to be a guy who got beat up? We've had this go-around in LOW over guys like Orton and Brody and why some guys are seen as better or worse than they should be. I think we all "get it". My comment was in regards to anyone not being "better talent" or "on par" with a guy who beats himself up for spare change. "Statistically better" is one thing, "on par" has a different connotation. And "traditionally bigger name" is really splitting hairs on an independent set. I have scarcely heard of Stevens and wouldn't know him if I saw him, but some people here thinks he's some kind of "star". Ricky Landell was a total unknown to me until this game, but someone, somewhere probably sees him as a big deal and that's okay. There are about a half dozen guys who would probably fit into this category: one person says "who the heck is he?" and another person goes "now there's a big name for the game!" |
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Post by Knapik on Feb 19, 2009 1:53:29 GMT -5
Have you watched the Necro Butcher?
The guy does far more than just 'hurt himself'. He has a charisma in the ring and a reputation as a dangerous fighter that gets him massive cheers wherever he is. The guy is a brawler, sure, but he's often at the top of a Ring of Honor card for a reason - he's entertaining and a very good professional wrestler. To call the guy 'God-awful' is absurd. To say he 'beats himself up for spare change' is insulting and ignorant.
No he is not. It's really that simple.
It's not if you follow independent wrestling. Luckily the person writing the cards has a very broad knowledge of the wrestlers (and their place on the card) and the organizations where they wrestle (and how those organizations rank in terms of content and popularity).
The actual reason is due to the standards set up by the Legends of Wrestling team years back. Guys with higher profiles, major title reigns, and placement at the top of the card have stronger stats. This is logic at work. On the (humble) writer's end, personal preference has no place.
If the writer of the cards decided his favorite cards would be the strongest, Ultramantis Black and Drake Younger would dominate.
Luckily, the person writing the cards is pretty sweet.
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Post by bluelantern on Feb 19, 2009 3:25:31 GMT -5
Have you watched the Necro Butcher? The guy does far more than just 'hurt himself'. He has a charisma in the ring and a reputation as a dangerous fighter that gets him massive cheers wherever he is. The guy is a brawler, sure, but he's often at the top of a Ring of Honor card for a reason - he's entertaining and a very good professional wrestler. To call the guy 'God-awful' is absurd. To say he 'beats himself up for spare change' is insulting and ignorant. No he is not. It's really that simple. I've watched him quite a bit and I stand by my opinion. And again, if the "bigger name" gets the better card, once again: I think TM WAS oversimplifying or else the above would be true and Koko B. Ware should be able to defeat anyone in LOTF with ease. Well, you guys have swayed my decision on whether to purchase the next set or not, anyway. |
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Post by Knapik on Feb 19, 2009 3:54:25 GMT -5
Well Koko was at the bottom of the card in the WWF, so his card is weaker. If he were at the top of the card he would be stronger. A wrestler at the bottom of the card in the WWF will most often be stronger than the wrestler at the bottom of the card in Ring of Honor or Chikara. It's not to say "This guy was in the WWF so he's stronger than any card that's not in the WWF."
It seems very simple to me, and I'm frankly surprised someone doesn't get that. There is a lot of thought put into the strength of the cards, and I hope that shows in the end result. Todd, myself, and the Legends team have worked to make sure the cards work together okay.
As far as Necro goes, I would encourage you to check out his work from the past year in Ring of Honor. There's more to his popularity than his willingness to work hardcore matches.
You decided not to get the set because I said I was sweet? I wouldn't hold it against you if you said your artwork was sweet (it is); but then again, I have no problem with those who are confident in their work. I hope you change your mind, because I confident for a reason: there are some very fun indy wrestlers represented in this set. I only hope the end result does them justice.
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