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Post by bluelantern on Feb 19, 2009 4:33:33 GMT -5
Well Koko was at the bottom of the card in the WWF, so his card is weaker. If he were at the top of the card he would be stronger. A wrestler at the bottom of the card in the WWF will most often be stronger than the wrestler at the bottom of the card in Ring of Honor or Chikara. It's not to say "This guy was in the WWF so he's stronger than any card that's not in the WWF." It seems very simple to me, and I'm frankly surprised someone doesn't get that. There is a lot of thought put into the strength of the cards, and I hope that shows in the end result. Todd, myself, and the Legends team have worked to make sure the cards work together okay. .... You decided not to get the set because I said I was sweet? No, clearly I "get it". In fact, I believe I wrote that very thing in my initial reply. It was the over-simplification that a guy was given stats that are better or worse based SOLELY "who traditionally is the biggest name, with those guys getting the best stats". I thought that was a disservice to the people who come up with the stats and work hard to get everything balanced. That's why I wrote that it was oversimplifiying the process to write that, essentially, a more well-known guy will always get a better card. Yeah, smart guy, that's really why I wrote that: because you claimed sweetness.  Here, here's one for you, just to prove there are no hard feelings.  I stand by my opinions, however. |
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Post by doublea on Feb 19, 2009 9:19:53 GMT -5
To be fair, myself and Harker both did his card...Knapik and the Legends team didn't. It was more on par with competing with the original legends. I would say if it was released with LOTF, it would probably change a bit. As I fan of some indy stuff, I see both points. Hard to determine really what is a big name on the indy scene. Talking with Jon on many occassions, I think Jon is a fair observer when it comes to the indy scene and makes every effort possible to make them balance out. But I think the tend is to kinda be biased, thru a FG standpoint, towards "East Coast" wrestlers when there is good indy wrestling everywhere. Which is understandable since most are based in the east. I think the question is...would Savage T be better or worse in terms of being released with LOTF!?!?  BTW, Harker rocks!  |
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 19, 2009 9:54:34 GMT -5
Not sure how I am over simplifying anything. However, I don't see any problem with Necro Butcher beating Harker Dirge more times than not. I'm sure in the real world that Necro would be booked to go over in that match more times than not. However, the beauty of LOW/LOTF is that the time I ran this match Harker won.
We did tone down the original Harker stats a bit from what Double A had written, but that was to fit into the LOW roster at the time, and it was a good year before LOTF was released.
Savage T....should be a lot worse...although I would have probably rethought how to do his finisher and not have it automatically fail every time he faces a bigger guy, probably just a lower chance of hitting it.
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Post by swarm on Feb 19, 2009 10:52:38 GMT -5
I remember when the Harker Dirge card came out and Harker was saying he hoped to be called up to the WWE to be part of a vampire group in ECW (back when ECW debuted on Sci-Fi) under the WWE banner.
I tried to pimp him over on wrestlecrap.com. Not one person over there knew who he was.
Over there, Indy wrestling rules all and Necro Butcher is a God.
I'm keeping my personal opinion out of this. But that site has like 4,000 members. Make of that what you will.
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Post by TTX on Feb 19, 2009 11:00:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I loathe Savage-T's finisher. I mean....a guy who weighs 246..and he suddenly can't hit it but if he's 245 he can?
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Post by executioner on Feb 19, 2009 11:07:58 GMT -5
While structuring the card a certain way may tend to lead to a certain result, a little thing called dice make an impact too. For example, Harker has been a solid midcard to upper midcard guy for me, currently contending for my NWA-World Class regional title. Even did pretty well against Sabu and Ox Baker to name a few. The dice just like him.
On the other hand, the dice have not been so kind to Necro. Well done card, but those darn dice keep him in midcard land and make it next to impossible to push him.
This leads to a couple options: 1--tweak the cards to fit my tastes or 2--live with them as is. There is really no way to make everyone happy, as each Promoters experiences vary. Case in point, the legend of Steve Williams beating a certain fella called Monolith.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 19, 2009 11:22:10 GMT -5
Given UMB's past...I think Dirge and Hayne are perfec t fits. Not on par with Necro Butcher? WTF? I HOPE you mean stat-wise in this game. Just because someone has gotten a bigger name or rep does NOT mean they are better at what they do. Necor is God-awful, but people love to see him hurt himself. The only reason a guy like Dirge isn't better in the game is because of the people writing the cards. I totally was refering to stat-wise on the cards. I can't stand watching Necro in person, b/c that is not my favorite style. I was just saying that cardwise, Necro has a stronger card, at least in my results. |
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Post by Tournament Master on Feb 19, 2009 11:22:20 GMT -5
On the other hand, the dice have not been so kind to Necro. Well done card, but those darn dice keep him in midcard land and make it next to impossible to push him. You never know what the dice will do. Heck Necro Butcher won the first LOTF tournament at G-con last year, when NB himself guided him through the competition. However, outside of that in the matches I have run Necro Butcher usually gets DQed, and if not his winning percentage is at best 50/50. Where as Rickey Landell has been awesome and been horrible for most. What a wacky game. |
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Post by doublea on Feb 19, 2009 11:24:53 GMT -5
I had Savage T's card before it was released, but I tweaked it
VERTIBREAKER works on:
235 Roll of (2-8)
236 - 245 (2-6)
246-up (2-4)
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 19, 2009 11:28:45 GMT -5
On the other hand, the dice have not been so kind to Necro. Well done card, but those darn dice keep him in midcard land and make it next to impossible to push him. You never know what the dice will do. Heck Necro Butcher won the first LOTF tournament at G-con last year, when NB himself guided him through the competition. However, outside of that in the matches I have run Necro Butcher usually gets DQed, and if not his winning percentage is at best 50/50. Where as Rickey Landell has been awesome and been horrible for most. What a wacky game. Exactly. JD Michaels always seems to have strong showings and Arik Cannon is a FREAKING monster. Even when he loses it goes on forever. I don't know why that is, but that is the way the dice roll.....everytime! |
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