Rolll up on Tag Moves in Single Matches?

[walkswithwolf]

I know that was asked before,but is that a official Rule?
And how much influence has that on the matches?
From my point of view it makes sense to play it that way.
You could think of it like a routined Tag Wrestler getting confused to not have his Partner with him.
Please tell me about your experiences 🙂

[amd]

Is that in regard to an offensive tag move but its not a tag match? In my reading of the rules (which has turned up a few misreads from back in the day) it sounded like you do roll up a level in a single match. But in practice I have some reservations about that, but I like your take where they are not used to that scenario so get confused and have to revert back a level of offense.

My counter point would be on a tag team that is top tier and has a guy known for both a singles move and a tag move, would it make sense to just re-roll on that level? Or if they have both in some cases why not treat that as the singles finisher. i know when I was younger I just swapped in the singles move to help things move along, but I was playing a quicker style without much attention to the full advanced rules haha. In hindsight, that may lead to some folks being a tad overpowered but there may be cases it makes sense. With a tag specialist with a tag only finisher (and no other finisher listed) it makes a lot more sense to roll back one level.

[Chad Olson]

The LOW stats are created with the thought that in a singles match, you do roll up a level if rolling a tag move. Otherwise, you're giving a tag team wrestler a better chance in a singles match. If they have a singles finisher on L3O #5 and a tag finisher on L3O #6, you're giving them a 1 in 5 chance to hit their singles finisher in a singles match instead of a 1 in 6 chance that someone without two finishers has.

[amd]

Sept 11, 2020 9:54:32 GMT -5 Chad Olson said:

The LOW stats are created with the thought that in a singles match, you do roll up a level if rolling a tag move. Otherwise, you're giving a tag team wrestler a better chance in a singles match. If they have a singles finisher on L3O #5 and a tag finisher on L3O #6, you're giving them a 1 in 5 chance to hit their singles finisher in a singles match instead of a 1 in 6 chance that someone without two finishers has.

Right, I know something like that trends towards unfair/broken in most cases. I guess I would entertain something like this for a few exceptional characters only.  I think in my mind I didnt really take this to be two discrete outcomes, but more they have 2 out of 6 chances for a finisher, so if they are skilled enough why not let them hit the singles move if they are proficient enough. But looked at strictly from the raw mechanic perspective this makes sense like giving a tag character one more opportunity for a finisher that wouldn't exist on a similar singles only character.

It is interesting how the gameplay can shift when following the rules exactly and then once you start fiddling with things. Its a benefit that the system is flexible enough such tweaks and since its mostly solo so you can shuffle things around to suit your own tastes. 

All this has made me appreciate the design effort that goes into the official cards that much more. Very simple to make a stacked card or disregard rules, but much trickier to make compelling content that falls within the framework of the rules!

[the_faction]

Sept 11, 2020 9:54:32 GMT -5 Chad Olson said:

The LOW stats are created with the thought that in a singles match, you do roll up a level if rolling a tag move. Otherwise, you're giving a tag team wrestler a better chance in a singles match. If they have a singles finisher on L3O #5 and a tag finisher on L3O #6, you're giving them a 1 in 5 chance to hit their singles finisher in a singles match instead of a 1 in 6 chance that someone without two finishers has.

This makes so much sense and I may have to house rule this as looking at the Advanced Rules again in CotG Online I've always played by:

12. OFFENSIVE TAG MOVES
A move on offense followed by (tag) means the move only works when the wrestler is involved in a tag-team match. In singles matches roll again at the same level of offense until you roll a different instruction.

[Bazzy]

If not in tag team match , then I re-roll the dice

[TTX]

It's interesting that while tag wrestlers suffer greatly in singles matches, singles wrestlers are just fine in tag matches other than defensive tags. Heck tag wrestlers with a partner other than their usual fair worse than a singles wrestler in a tag match.

[walkswithwolf]

Lets say that i would team up Bobby Eaton with Marty Jannetty.
Would i roll up if Eaton rolls for a Midnight Express Move?

[walkswithwolf]

Is that rolling up a official Rule?
Why that was never changed then?