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Post by Chad Olson on Oct 18, 2020 16:52:09 GMT -5
This was brought up somewhere recently, so I did some research and found the answer in the March 1990 Club Galactica Super Report. This is a listing of the stat changes between the original 500 sets of Champions of the Galaxy 2087 and the 2nd (and subsequent) printings.
Characters unchanged: Star Warrior, Commander Sam, Massif, Renegade, Lord Nexus, Thantos, Executioner, Massacre, Mutant
L2O and L3O = Level 2 Offense and Level 3 Offense
Omega - Ring Rating from B to C Wolf - L2O ch E to ch A Beast Rider - Deathjump Rating from B to C Actagon - L2O ch H to ch C Proteus - L3O ch F to ch H Pit Viper - Ring Rating from B to C Pulsar - Ring Rating from B to C Comrade Terror - L3O ch D to ch H Brute - L3O ch F to ch G AND Deathjump Rating C to B Vanity - PIN 6 (3) to 7 (4) AND Ring Rating B to C Exo-King - L3O #2 out of the ring (c) becomes a deathjump (c) AND L2O ch G to ch C Killer Queen - Turnbuckle A to B AND L2O ch G to ch D AND L3O ch F to ch H Death Knight - Deathjump B to C AND L3O ch F to ch H Krakan - L2O ch H to ch D Ghengis Khan - Turnbuckle B to A
As mentioned before, the Choice Chart had references to the out of the ring chart instead of deathjump on ch G and ch H.
Finally, the out of the ring chart had an additional outcome that wasn't on later versions. Between "The opponent comes out of the ring to continue the fight..." and "In order to meet the referee's count..." there was an outcome that looked like this:
A - 6 B - 5 C - 4 You get back on the ring apron and shock the opponent with an incredible flying tackle over the top rope. The opponent goes down. OPPONENT ROLLS ON LEVEL 3 DEFENSE.
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Post by TTX on Oct 18, 2020 18:32:18 GMT -5
Pit Viper should totally have kept that B Ring.
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Post by LAWraith on Oct 18, 2020 18:43:20 GMT -5
Yeah and I would even have upgraded Pit Viper to A!
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Post by Chad Olson on Oct 18, 2020 19:44:28 GMT -5
RE: Pit Viper
I think it's weird for someone who has "snapped" and gone wild, that they would be worse out of the ring. However, if you look at the guys who were downgraded, I wonder if it was Tom trying to put more distance between the tiers of upper, mid and lower card wrestlers.
The other idea is that even though Pit Viper was trying to be a wildman, he didn't have the necessary killer instinct to go all the way.
I think it's interesting to note with Actagon, Exo-King, and Killer Queen having a (ch G) or (ch H) on Level 2 Offense, they were probably tougher for the original 500 sets sold than the people who started playing later.
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Post by wildfire on Oct 18, 2020 21:32:58 GMT -5
I think Vanity should have kept the 3 pin... he was important in the story lines, but couldn't win a match to save his life... it would give those plots a bit more punch if he wasn't so bad. While I think power creep in the game in general gets to be too much over time, having a smaller distance between the bottom of the card to the top I think is more entertaining.
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Post by throwingtoasters on Oct 18, 2020 21:51:33 GMT -5
If anyone has a good condition original printing. DM me. Let’s chat.
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Post by wildfire on Oct 18, 2020 22:41:06 GMT -5
Queen has a decent card at least.... he's got the 2 finishers, which in that first set is pretty decent if you can get in control of the match... Vanity, though, that defense is just SO bad.
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Post by Pegasus on Oct 19, 2020 6:13:55 GMT -5
Thanks Chad,
I love this kind of info. Does anyone know if other sets had similar changes, or even just individual cards (not counting SE cards)?
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Post by TTX on Oct 19, 2020 6:42:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't think so (Tom basically changed the game up a bit between the first and second printing) although if he did a minor change or two to say 2088 I wouldn't be shocked. Anything else that was redone was to fix an error. Even then most of those weren't corrected (hello Guardsman bite to forehead)
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Post by Chad Olson on Oct 19, 2020 8:58:24 GMT -5
Thanks Chad, I love this kind of info. Does anyone know if other sets had similar changes, or even just individual cards (not counting SE cards)? I don't believe anything else was ever changed in future sets, except for the Gladiators in 2090. When their cards came out, Tom decided soon after he made them too "weak". He made some minor changes to the cards and distributed them free to anyone who requested them. If you didn't get the Club Galactica Super Report at the time, you wouldn't have known about it. The newer stats became the ones in the set. I don't know if he sent them out to non-Club people with WarGames 2091. For the first few conventions, he had stacks of them to give away. There may be people who never got the better versions of the 2090 cards, although they're the same stats as the Snelly artwork SE cards, IIRC. I'm sure someone is going to ask what the original stats looked like. I'll go through my archives and find out.
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