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Post by jimsteel on Jan 6, 2022 18:49:22 GMT -5
Gabe Sapolsky and Samoa Joe were released
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Post by Swarm on Jan 7, 2022 7:27:34 GMT -5
I can’t find a decent story about the Bryan-Page match or Bron Breaker winning the NXT title without having to scroll past story after story about William Regal on every wrestling site I read. Two huge historic matches took place this week and people are acting like William Regal left Earth to live on Mars or something. I guess this is where we are with wrestling in 2022. .................. What, that people seem to care more about a talent scout who was last on air in a GM role and whose prime career years were almost two decades ago? I agree, this does seem to be an issue. Also....there are still wrestling news sites on the internet? People for real post articles? Don't wrestling fans and "journalists" just use the internet for social media to complain and gossip/give their worthless opinions about wrestlers' personal lives? There’s a few. Unfortunately most of them are just stories about what so and so said on Twitter. I’m old enough to remember when you had to “follow” people on Twitter to hear what they had to say. Now tweets are “news”. New normal I guess. I don’t think I’m in the key demo for the way wrestling is presented these days.
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Post by Gunslinger on Jan 7, 2022 8:12:00 GMT -5
Gabe Sapolsky and Samoa Joe were released I figured Joe was on his way out but it still sucks. Also, SIGN SAMOA JOE!
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Post by Justin Case on Jan 7, 2022 13:02:16 GMT -5
And now WwE has HIRED Petey Williams as a full time producer?! How wack is this?!?
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jan 7, 2022 14:47:03 GMT -5
There’s a few. Unfortunately most of them are just stories about what so and so said on Twitter. I’m old enough to remember when you had to “follow” people on Twitter to hear what they had to say. Now tweets are “news”. New normal I guess. I don’t think I’m in the key demo for the way wrestling is presented these days. .......... "Journalistic" laziness. Their reporting consists of repeating what someone else said or posted on social. Sadly, this level of work is not just on wrestling sites. It's politics, entertainment, sports, and everything else. A bunch of lazy glorified interns who think doing research means watching social media feeds for "hot tea". You think WWE can hire Joe back so he can challenge Marty Jannetty and Roddy Piper for most times fired in a 12 month period? That could be fun.
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Post by Swarm on Jan 25, 2022 8:27:06 GMT -5
#FreeAli Now fans are mad that WWE won’t fire people.
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jan 25, 2022 9:01:35 GMT -5
#FreeAli Now fans are mad that WWE won’t fire people. ......... To be fair, this is a case where they keep firing people who WANT to stay but won't let a guy go who wants to leave. IF this is above boards and not a "Vince Russo worked shoot, bro" it may not turn out the way WWE wants. Ali is a....certain type of individual, the likes of whom they're not really used to dealing with. He's not going to just complain about it on social media. He will learn the situation inside out, get top contract attorneys on the case, probably get them to work pro bono for all the publicity it will bring, and then those one-sided contracts that give WWE all the power will be no more. Remember, "independent contractor" allows them to FIRE anyone with or without cause then tell them they CANNOT work elsewhere, but also gives them the power to DENY the performer a way out of the contract and even extend it indefinitely if the performer does not work a specified amount of days under the deal. And why? Because they've been the only fish in the sea for so long they can hold these one-sided deals over people's heads and say "take it or leave it". If anyone really wants to just burn it down and get these contracts challenged, and really has some juice behind them to do it, then WWE is in trouble. Remember in the mid-late 2010s when Alberto Del Rio got let go, then said "those contracts are unconstitutional" and went right back to work in AAA? What happened to him. Nothing, because he had high powered lawyers (and probably other connections best left unsaid, but still). Really, any of these guys who got fired could do the same, but they're afraid of WWE trying to bankrupt them in court. With this situation it's harder to just walk away from the contract. Although that's apparenty what Toni Storm did and they invented the "she asked for and was granted her release". So it'll be interesting to see if that story quietly goes away, which so far it has.
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Post by Swarm on Jan 25, 2022 9:22:03 GMT -5
#FreeAli Now fans are mad that WWE won’t fire people. ......... To be fair, this is a case where they keep firing people who WANT to stay but won't let a guy go who wants to leave. IF this is above boards and not a "Vince Russo worked shoot, bro" it may not turn out the way WWE wants. Ali is a....certain type of individual, the likes of whom they're not really used to dealing with. He's not going to just complain about it on social media. He will learn the situation inside out, get top contract attorneys on the case, probably get them to work pro bono for all the publicity it will bring, and then those one-sided contracts that give WWE all the power will be no more. Remember, "independent contractor" allows them to FIRE anyone with or without cause then tell them they CANNOT work elsewhere, but also gives them the power to DENY the performer a way out of the contract and even extend it indefinitely if the performer does not work a specified amount of days under the deal. And why? Because they've been the only fish in the sea for so long they can hold these one-sided deals over people's heads and say "take it or leave it". If anyone really wants to just burn it down and get these contracts challenged, and really has some juice behind them to do it, then WWE is in trouble. Remember in the mid-late 2010s when Alberto Del Rio got let go, then said "those contracts are unconstitutional" and went right back to work in AAA? What happened to him. Nothing, because he had high powered lawyers (and probably other connections best left unsaid, but still). Really, any of these guys who got fired could do the same, but they're afraid of WWE trying to bankrupt them in court. With this situation it's harder to just walk away from the contract. Although that's apparenty what Toni Storm did and they invented the "she asked for and was granted her release". So it'll be interesting to see if that story quietly goes away, which so far it has. I read a little about Ali’s situation. He wants to do one thing w his character and they want him to do something else. I think successful wrestlers understand this is an acting job first. No different than Hollywood. He seems to have a lot of passion for politics, maybe he gets into politics and wrestles less.
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jan 25, 2022 10:54:41 GMT -5
I read a little about Ali’s situation. He wants to do one thing w his character and they want him to do something else. I think successful wrestlers understand this is an acting job first. No different than Hollywood. He seems to have a lot of passion for politics, maybe he gets into politics and wrestles less. Yeah, that's... That's what WWE (R and TM) may be now, but that was never what professional wrestling was about. You can enjoy both, and that's fine because I do too at different times, but know they are different. I think we really need to stop conflating sports entertainment and pro wrestling and maybe these guys won't get confused and end up with the wrong job. Ali is 35. He's of maybe the last generation that got sold on WWE as pro wrestling and got there and found "we make movies, pal". But none of that is the issue or speaks to the one sided nature of the contracts and that, yes, this guy is stubborn enough to actually make it his life to fight it if he feels wronged here.
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Post by Swarm on Jan 25, 2022 13:18:10 GMT -5
I read a little about Ali’s situation. He wants to do one thing w his character and they want him to do something else. I think successful wrestlers understand this is an acting job first. No different than Hollywood. He seems to have a lot of passion for politics, maybe he gets into politics and wrestles less. Yeah, that's... That's what WWE (R and TM) may be now, but that was never what professional wrestling was about. You can enjoy both, and that's fine because I do too at different times, but know they are different. I think we really need to stop conflating sports entertainment and pro wrestling and maybe these guys won't get confused and end up with the wrong job. Ali is 35. He's of maybe the last generation that got sold on WWE as pro wrestling and got there and found "we make movies, pal". But none of that is the issue or speaks to the one sided nature of the contracts and that, yes, this guy is stubborn enough to actually make it his life to fight it if he feels wronged here. If I was Ali, I’d reach out to Kane. There’s a guy who has a passion for both wrestling and politics, succeeded at high levels in both. Bron Breaker is special. You listen to him talk and he sounds like exactly what he is - a professional athlete. He has respect for the history of the sport, the present of the sport and its future. He has a history of training hard, competing for his spot, and challenging himself. You listen to most of these other wrestlers these days and none of them sound like that. No fight. No desire to compete. In a sport where one person has to lose every match every time - we have a sea of men and women who feel like they’re being wronged, being misused and being held back. The bad news everybody has to lose matches in AEW too. I have no doubt Ali will be like all the rest. One day he will walk out on stage on AEW Dynamite with a smirk on his face like he’s finally free to be the greatest pro wrestler the world ever saw - he just needed to get away from WWE to prove it - you know the look, the walk. They all do it. Then 3 weeks later he’ll be on YouTube with Tony Nese. Just a prediction.
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