Steef
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Post by Steef on Jul 18, 2009 15:19:31 GMT -5
You would just need to name them something that differentiates them i.e. "Brute 2087" and "Brute 2090." That's what I do with my "custom" wrestlers for the sets that haven't been put online yet. For the "official" guys, I don't know.
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Post by David Morse on Jul 18, 2009 17:34:04 GMT -5
You would just need to name them something that differentiates them i.e. "Brute 2087" and "Brute 2090." That's what I do with my "custom" wrestlers for the sets that haven't been put online yet. For the "official" guys, I don't know. Yeah, with CAC slots it is easy to do. I was thinking of the official sets. |
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Post by squire on Jul 19, 2009 10:23:26 GMT -5
In rankings/record keeping/card creation, I'd like to be able to differentiate between different versions of the same wrestler or tag team. For example, right now if I use Brute and Massacre for 2087 and Brute and Massacre from 2090, they show up the same, when they are actually totally different cards. It would be nice to indicate the card year you are using somehow, especially if you are running a Kronos-type federation (which I planned to do) and want to use different versions of the same wrestler in your fed. They are different years but the same wrestlers so they are ranked together. We won't make an update to separate them as ranking based on card really doesn't make any sense. If you want to rank the card, limit your results to the date range you were using the card. |
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Post by David Morse on Jul 19, 2009 16:03:38 GMT -5
In rankings/record keeping/card creation, I'd like to be able to differentiate between different versions of the same wrestler or tag team. For example, right now if I use Brute and Massacre for 2087 and Brute and Massacre from 2090, they show up the same, when they are actually totally different cards. It would be nice to indicate the card year you are using somehow, especially if you are running a Kronos-type federation (which I planned to do) and want to use different versions of the same wrestler in your fed. They are different years but the same wrestlers so they are ranked together. We won't make an update to separate them as ranking based on card really doesn't make any sense. If you want to rank the card, limit your results to the date range you were using the card. Well, that depends. It does make sense in a federation on Kronos, where different versions of the same person can compete (and can even compete against each other). But it it can't be done, then I guess that's that. |
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Post by LWPD on Jul 19, 2009 17:20:45 GMT -5
In rankings/record keeping/card creation, I'd like to be able to differentiate between different versions of the same wrestler or tag team. For example, right now if I use Brute and Massacre for 2087 and Brute and Massacre from 2090, they show up the same, when they are actually totally different cards. It would be nice to indicate the card year you are using somehow, especially if you are running a Kronos-type federation (which I planned to do) and want to use different versions of the same wrestler in your fed. They are different years but the same wrestlers so they are ranked together. We won't make an update to separate them as ranking based on card really doesn't make any sense. David's request does 'make sense' in the context he phrased it in. Kronos based Feds have always been very popular in the community because they allow players to develop a booking format that places a specific version of a wrestler against other specific versions. The measurement involved is not of an ongoing evolving career that moves from one game set to the next (ie. Star Warrior with various upgrades & downgrades) but Star Warrior 2087 competing ad infinitum. It is reasonable to request a way for the Stat Tracker to differentiate the records of Official cards that are booked differently as it creates more options for subscribers to get the most out of the sets they have purchased. As more sets go online the way people approach using the cards will inevitably become more diverse and mixed Era Feds and instances where a given wrestler card is used in multiple booking formats will grow more practical and popular. Ideally the system should be able to accommodate these game play preferences. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 18:34:47 GMT -5
Unless I'm mistaken, the Stat Tracker was originally programmed to understand that Star Warrior is Star Warrior. What I mean is, Star Warrior 2087 and Star Warrior 2090 (and any tweaked version in between) are the same character or "person." Going this route seemed practical and realistic to the way people might record their feds records and history. For example, Star Warriors career "win-loss record" would span the character's entire career, all of his different game cards included, not broken down separately. Looking at your feds I-P Title History would list Star Warrior as a 3 time champion, not Star Warrior 2087 as a 1x champ and Star Warrior 2090 as a 2x champ. I do understand the Kronos concept allows for Star Warrior 2087 to fight against Star Warrior 2090. And I do understand that diversity exists in the way people keep their records. I can't justify spending time concentrating on this particular request, especially if it's a time consuming and expensive job for Cliff when there are other, more general system upgrades that we'd like to take care of first. However, just like all other requests, this one is noted. And like LWPD says, the Stat Tracker having the ability to record in this fashion would be ideal...I'm just not so sure it's a priority job. ...and I may be off with what I'm saying here anyways. Cliff or Larry might chime in and say this is a quick and easy thing to get done!  ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by doublea on Jul 19, 2009 18:44:40 GMT -5
Could you simply input them in (and all characters) by game years. For all of the original sets, just add 2087 after them? Or 2088 after the 1st set?? Seems like the system would read these as different characters...yet keep them as themselves
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Post by David Morse on Jul 19, 2009 21:18:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I understand the other side of this. If you are running an ongoing GWF that progresses from year-to-year, then you want Star Warrior to remain the same person even when his card is upgraded. So that runs counter to the Kronos idea. I don't know what the solution would be. I just know I wanted to run my Kronos fed fully online (I use the game table for the rest but don't keep stats online), and it is very difficult to do as things are set up now. I do realize that the Kronos idea is undoubtedly a minority approach to the game.
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legend
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Post by legend on Jul 20, 2009 13:23:24 GMT -5
In Play by Play Simulator the CAC characters would be in alphebetical order so they are easier to find
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BDS
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Post by BDS on Jul 20, 2009 13:49:58 GMT -5
Osk is right. Star Warrior is Star Warrior. Reptillo is Serpent Unman is Doomsday Creature. Renegade is Cannibal. This is a fundamental piece of the Stat Tracker's coding, as it's code that affects routine after routine in the COTGonline codebase. Modifying it would be such a monumental task for a tiny amount of return that I'd be willing to start punching people on Cliff's behalf to keep it from happening.
Now that the angry geek venting portion of the post is over, time for actual solutions ...
Creating a custom wrestler (not a CAC) will work for tracking things differently if you want to go that route, for a Kronos fed or some other instance where it would be necessary, with one caveat: the system won't know that a wrestler is inherently better than another. Most of the Ranking Personalities put stock in a wrestler's ability - Thantos with a 3-1 record will get ranked higher than The Mutant with a 3-1 record because he's Thantos. So, while creating "Star Warrior 2087" and "Star Warrior 2090" would do the job for ranking them separately, it won't rank them accurately since it won't recognize the difference between natural abilities. Not a huge deal for Star Warrior, perhaps, but for guys like Pulsar/Pulsar Prime, the difference is considerable.
If you create an actual CAC "clone" of the wrestlers in question, though, it will copy over their natural ability into the database and it will be the ideal solution. You could create a cloned "Star Warrior 2087" and a cloned "Star Warrior 2090," both of which would have separate records kept and would be ranked appropriately based on ability level. So, for a few bucks for the CAC slots, you'd get the full functionality, Cliff doesn't have to go mad gutting the codebase, and nobody has to get punched. Everyone wins!
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