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Post by Sam Fain on Jun 8, 2022 22:35:32 GMT -5
Indies gameline maestro Zeke Gould joins us to talk about the new Best of Indies 2022 set. We also go in depth with out thoughts on Cody Rhodes, MJF, CM Punk, and the current state of the Indies, WWE, and AEW. All of that, plus the usual updates from Fed HQ including all the teasers. Find Sam on Twitter - @kopw72Todd - @tourneymasterEpisode Available on the following platforms - WebsiteAppleGoogle |
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Post by Vegas on Jun 9, 2022 1:32:56 GMT -5
It was great to talk to Todd and Sam about recent wrestling events and about the upcoming Indy set. It also gave me a chance to get my mind off something I have been dealing with recently.
Thank you for having me on Roll Up this week!
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Post by Swarm on Jun 9, 2022 6:53:14 GMT -5
We also go in depth with out thoughts on Cody Rhodes, MJF, CM Punk, and the current state of the Indies, WWE, and AEW. Will have to listen to this one. I thought Cody was a work. I was wrong. I think MJF is a shoot, he’ll never wrestle in an AEW ring again and will show up in WWE one day. Prob wrong about that, too. But that’s what makes wrestling fun. Cody is the biggest and coolest star in wrestling. His series versus Rollins has been my favorite feud of the year. Their HIAC match was one of the best HIAC matches I’ve seen. I was surprised he took some backlash for wrestling w a torn pec. Some people saying he was risking further injury. Anybody who knows about lifting/torn pecs knows once a pec is torn it’s torn. No danger of doing any further damage. So he was just fine doing that match. I guess I expected wrestling journalists to know more about anatomy. No MJF last night on Dynamite…I think if it’s a work they really knew any momentum they had. More proof it’s not. But I’ve been way wrong before and recently. Punk is misfiring on everything he does. I would have had Wardlow win the battle royal, beat Moxley then squash Punk when he returns. If MJF is a work, this idea makes even more sense. But he wasn’t even in it. I would have liked to see them run w the Wardlow momentum and instead they just stopped him in his tracks. |
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Post by Lee on Jun 9, 2022 15:55:26 GMT -5
So far it's a great episode as usual. Will hopefully get a chance to listen to the rest of this tomorrow. Always like hearing Vegas talk about the indies!
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Post by TTX on Jun 9, 2022 17:56:27 GMT -5
The website does not have the current episode.
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Post by DK II on Jun 9, 2022 18:44:44 GMT -5
Fantastic Episode! Great Rundown of the next Indies set by Vegas...even though I am not familiar with those included in the set, getting his take is great. Love the comments on Ninja Mack wanting everything "Ninja" on his card and on Mr. Suplex in that there are more suplexes than you can shake a stick at!!!! As for AEW...I dunno, I lost interest when it became the "CM Punk Show". I mean I like him, but it seems not as much as I am supposed to like him...I was actually kinda glad to see that he had to drop the title (not that he is injured, just never thought he should be the champ) as I think it is past time for him to be the "champ"...there are so many other guys that it could put it on that drive storylines...like Swarm said, sounds like they were building guys and now what? guess we will see...and I will track it on the periphery until something draws me back. As for Cody...I thought it was a work, even with all the "press" until I saw him take off his ring-coat...MAN! I partially tore my hamstring a few years ago and my leg looked just like his chest...but as Swarm and my doctor said, what's done is done and not much more that he could have damaged by wrestling in that match. Which BTW was a very Very, VERY good Match. HITC or Not, Cody and Rollins have been AWESOME together. Keep up the Great Work!!!!! And thanks for the entertainment over what seemed like a LONG afternoon of working from the house. |
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Post by Sam Fain on Jun 9, 2022 18:59:38 GMT -5
The website does not have the current episode. Thanks, Troy. An oversight on my part. It’s up now. |
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Post by TTX on Jun 9, 2022 19:01:42 GMT -5
Cool, will listen tomorrow
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Post by Pete on Jun 9, 2022 22:32:09 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but as a big, big MJF fan...I absolutely hated that promo. If it's a shoot, Tony Khan is an idiot, and I've never thought that before. If it's a work...I just don't get what it was or is going for. An MJF-Tony Khan feud? Who the hell wants to see that? When Punk dropped his Pipe Bomb in 2011, it had three important factors involved:
1.) Punk had a defined goal in mind: "I'm going to take your title and then take the title with me when I leave." Simple, logical, straightforward.
2.) Punk never broke kayfabe. He said things he wasn't "supposed" to say, but he didn't have that stupid MJF line about how "I don't drop people on their heads." And this wasn't typical heel hypocrisy, either (like Jericho complaining later on the show about Eddie Kingston trying to use fire). It was just a blatant breaking of immersion. Yeah, yeah, "we all know it's fake!" How well would it go over if the next Bond villain stopped in the middle of his requisite monologue to complain about how Daniel Craig is being paid more than him?
3.) The pipe bomb didn't do anything for business. Ratings went down in the immediate aftermath and Money in the Bank's buyrate was only a slight improvement over last year's numbers, which wasn't what the bar was being set at. I was and am a huge Punk fan, but facts is facts.
When Brian Pillman was doing his thing in 1996, I wasn't exactly gaga over that, either. I don't think it takes a great deal of storytelling or booking skill to just break kayfabe on the air and then go "Ha, fooled you!" And like with this, I was always left wondering what it was supposed to be building to--I know now it was supposed to lead to Pillman landing a big-money contract extension, but why do I care about that? What does it lead to for *us*, the viewer? Pillman vs. Eric Bischoff? Paul Heyman seemed to be the only booker who actually had a clue of where to go with that stuff that would actually lead to a wrestling match that people would want to see.
This MJF angle isn't irredeemable--maybe he starts actively targeting some of these ex-WWE names, which may freshen up the Cole/O'Reilly/Fish triumvirate which is in desperate, desperate need of something new to do. But if this was the start of an elaborate work, I find it to be a stupid and obnoxious one so far.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 10, 2022 6:40:44 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but as a big, big MJF fan...I absolutely hated that promo. If it's a shoot, Tony Khan is an idiot, and I've never thought that before. If it's a work...I just don't get what it was or is going for. An MJF-Tony Khan feud? Who the hell wants to see that? When Punk dropped his Pipe Bomb in 2011, it had three important factors involved: 1.) Punk had a defined goal in mind: "I'm going to take your title and then take the title with me when I leave." Simple, logical, straightforward. 2.) Punk never broke kayfabe. He said things he wasn't "supposed" to say, but he didn't have that stupid MJF line about how "I don't drop people on their heads." And this wasn't typical heel hypocrisy, either (like Jericho complaining later on the show about Eddie Kingston trying to use fire). It was just a blatant breaking of immersion. Yeah, yeah, "we all know it's fake!" How well would it go over if the next Bond villain stopped in the middle of his requisite monologue to complain about how Daniel Craig is being paid more than him? 3.) The pipe bomb didn't do anything for business. Ratings went down in the immediate aftermath and Money in the Bank's buyrate was only a slight improvement over last year's numbers, which wasn't what the bar was being set at. I was and am a huge Punk fan, but facts is facts. When Brian Pillman was doing his thing in 1996, I wasn't exactly gaga over that, either. I don't think it takes a great deal of storytelling or booking skill to just break kayfabe on the air and then go "Ha, fooled you!" And like with this, I was always left wondering what it was supposed to be building to--I know now it was supposed to lead to Pillman landing a big-money contract extension, but why do I care about that? What does it lead to for *us*, the viewer? Pillman vs. Eric Bischoff? Paul Heyman seemed to be the only booker who actually had a clue of where to go with that stuff that would actually lead to a wrestling match that people would want to see. This MJF angle isn't irredeemable--maybe he starts actively targeting some of these ex-WWE names, which may freshen up the Cole/O'Reilly/Fish triumvirate which is in desperate, desperate need of something new to do. But if this was the start of an elaborate work, I find it to be a stupid and obnoxious one so far. Good read, Pete, If it’s a shoot, he buried the whole roster - all the ex WWE guys and the Elite - literally making fun of them botching and dropping people on their heads. That part has me questioning it being a work. How do you build a story around a guy who wants to be fired? If it’s a work, i guess he rolls over all the ex WWE guys then beats Tony’s no.1 guy Punk in the end? Like you, I’m having a hard time seeing how this becomes a story, especially after zero follow up so far. Are they simply trying to get through FD before moving forward with this storyline? Guess we will find out sooner than later once that show is through. |
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