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Post by DK II on Nov 15, 2022 20:23:09 GMT -5
Well, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We both seem to be firmly entrenched on opposite sides unwilling to budge on our stance. I'm sure you're a decent person and I don't want to start a back and forth argument with you. I do agree with you though that all the conference jumping the past 10-12 years is getting out of hand. Based on their success this century it was nice to see Utah join a Power 5 Conference and TCU re-join one. At least those ones made geographic sense unlike West Virginia in the Big 12 and Maryland & Rutgers in the Big Ten. What I hate most about all the re-alignment is that it's killed off so many of the old and storied rivalries: The Kansas-Missouri Border War, The Lonestar Showdown, The Backyard Brawl etc. etc. What's next?: Army & Navy ending their annual game? Now with Oklahoma leaving for the SEC we're probably going to lose the Bedlam Game too. At least Utah & BYU have kept the Holy War going on a semi-regular basis. I also agree that Notre Dame doesn't deserve all that special treatment. Now that USC is heading to the Big Ten The Irish could probably join too and keep the rivalries with the Trojans, Michigan and Michigan State as conference games while still allowing them to keep their other rivalries such as Stanford and Navy as non-conference tilts. In light of all the conference jumping I have to give credit to the MAC for mostly avoiding all the chaos. With the exception of Temple and UMass temporarily joining and then leaving they've managed to keep their membership together amidst all the turmoil. Agreeing to Disagree is part of sports fanaticism. But I am happy to see we agree on Notre Dame (whom I affectionately call "Puke Dame")...I just really dislike the preferential treatment they get every year, and more times than not, they do not deserve it. TV Money has changed (some would say "ruined") college football soooooo much that you really cannot blame schools for swapping conferences...but how good (I would go so far as to GREAT) would it be to see a RE-REGIONALIZING of conferences to get to 8 or 12 conference and have a REAL Playoff and crown a True National Champion. It could be done, but the NCAA doesn't have the guts to make it happen...and they love the press and the "controversy" the current format brings with it and the new format will bring. NIL and the transfer portal can definitely lead to a leveling of talent across the nation, and if the NCAA were to grab the reins they could steer this towards a Playoff that could really give the opportunity for every team in D1 to have a shot at a National Championship on Day 1 of the season. AND that is what is missing in any playoff format where conferences can have more than one team in... |
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Post by on_the_edge on Nov 15, 2022 21:31:46 GMT -5
Well, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We both seem to be firmly entrenched on opposite sides unwilling to budge on our stance. I'm sure you're a decent person and I don't want to start a back and forth argument with you. I do agree with you though that all the conference jumping the past 10-12 years is getting out of hand. Based on their success this century it was nice to see Utah join a Power 5 Conference and TCU re-join one. At least those ones made geographic sense unlike West Virginia in the Big 12 and Maryland & Rutgers in the Big Ten. What I hate most about all the re-alignment is that it's killed off so many of the old and storied rivalries: The Kansas-Missouri Border War, The Lonestar Showdown, The Backyard Brawl etc. etc. What's next?: Army & Navy ending their annual game? Now with Oklahoma leaving for the SEC we're probably going to lose the Bedlam Game too. At least Utah & BYU have kept the Holy War going on a semi-regular basis. I also agree that Notre Dame doesn't deserve all that special treatment. Now that USC is heading to the Big Ten The Irish could probably join too and keep the rivalries with the Trojans, Michigan and Michigan State as conference games while still allowing them to keep their other rivalries such as Stanford and Navy as non-conference tilts. In light of all the conference jumping I have to give credit to the MAC for mostly avoiding all the chaos. With the exception of Temple and UMass temporarily joining and then leaving they've managed to keep their membership together amidst all the turmoil. Agreeing to Disagree is part of sports fanaticism. But I am happy to see we agree on Notre Dame (whom I affectionately call "Puke Dame")...I just really dislike the preferential treatment they get every year, and more times than not, they do not deserve it. TV Money has changed (some would say "ruined") college football soooooo much that you really cannot blame schools for swapping conferences...but how good (I would go so far as to GREAT) would it be to see a RE-REGIONALIZING of conferences to get to 8 or 12 conference and have a REAL Playoff and crown a True National Champion. It could be done, but the NCAA doesn't have the guts to make it happen...and they love the press and the "controversy" the current format brings with it and the new format will bring. NIL and the transfer portal can definitely lead to a leveling of talent across the nation, and if the NCAA were to grab the reins they could steer this towards a Playoff that could really give the opportunity for every team in D1 to have a shot at a National Championship on Day 1 of the season. AND that is what is missing in any playoff format where conferences can have more than one team in... Special treatment for Notre Dame? The people at the Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel (NBC) will be shocked to hear that I am sure. Money HAS ruined NCAA D1 football. We went years without a championship game and it was mostly fine. When it wasn't it gave people something to talk about in the long winters as they waited till Spring. The fact every level of football had a championship game except D1 is what made it special to me. Now, it is just semi-pro football. As far as teams changing conferences that is nothing really new. It is just getting more attention based on WHAT teams are changing and which conferences they go to plus how it all effects the BS, I mean BCS, and the money involved. |
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Post by paul on Nov 15, 2022 22:49:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We both seem to be firmly entrenched on opposite sides unwilling to budge on our stance. I'm sure you're a decent person and I don't want to start a back and forth argument with you. I do agree with you though that all the conference jumping the past 10-12 years is getting out of hand. Based on their success this century it was nice to see Utah join a Power 5 Conference and TCU re-join one. At least those ones made geographic sense unlike West Virginia in the Big 12 and Maryland & Rutgers in the Big Ten. What I hate most about all the re-alignment is that it's killed off so many of the old and storied rivalries: The Kansas-Missouri Border War, The Lonestar Showdown, The Backyard Brawl etc. etc. What's next?: Army & Navy ending their annual game? Now with Oklahoma leaving for the SEC we're probably going to lose the Bedlam Game too. At least Utah & BYU have kept the Holy War going on a semi-regular basis. I also agree that Notre Dame doesn't deserve all that special treatment. Now that USC is heading to the Big Ten The Irish could probably join too and keep the rivalries with the Trojans, Michigan and Michigan State as conference games while still allowing them to keep their other rivalries such as Stanford and Navy as non-conference tilts. In light of all the conference jumping I have to give credit to the MAC for mostly avoiding all the chaos. With the exception of Temple and UMass temporarily joining and then leaving they've managed to keep their membership together amidst all the turmoil. Agreeing to Disagree is part of sports fanaticism. But I am happy to see we agree on Notre Dame (whom I affectionately call "Puke Dame")...I just really dislike the preferential treatment they get every year, and more times than not, they do not deserve it. TV Money has changed (some would say "ruined") college football soooooo much that you really cannot blame schools for swapping conferences...but how good (I would go so far as to GREAT) would it be to see a RE-REGIONALIZING of conferences to get to 8 or 12 conference and have a REAL Playoff and crown a True National Champion. It could be done, but the NCAA doesn't have the guts to make it happen...and they love the press and the "controversy" the current format brings with it and the new format will bring. NIL and the transfer portal can definitely lead to a leveling of talent across the nation, and if the NCAA were to grab the reins they could steer this towards a Playoff that could really give the opportunity for every team in D1 to have a shot at a National Championship on Day 1 of the season. AND that is what is missing in any playoff format where conferences can have more than one team in... I would love to see a re-regionalizing of the conferences too. One thing I liked about the last few editions of the College Football video games was the Custom Conference option where you could re-organize them anyway you wanted to. You could bring back the old Southwest Conference if you liked. I have mixed feelings on the Transfer Portal. On one hand it can level the playing field amongst the schools but now I find it hard to keep track of who's playing where. It can also cripple a program as we're seeing with Oklahoma this season. Although I doubt anyone's going to have too much sympathy for the Blue Blood programs I can eventually see the major conferences telling the NCAA to go to hell and break away from their corrupt organization. I think the NCAA realizes this too which is why they've allowed for the NIL program to come into effect. It's a last ditch effort for them to keep the Big Dogs in their yard. |
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Post by paul on Nov 15, 2022 23:07:43 GMT -5
Agreeing to Disagree is part of sports fanaticism. But I am happy to see we agree on Notre Dame (whom I affectionately call "Puke Dame")...I just really dislike the preferential treatment they get every year, and more times than not, they do not deserve it. TV Money has changed (some would say "ruined") college football soooooo much that you really cannot blame schools for swapping conferences...but how good (I would go so far as to GREAT) would it be to see a RE-REGIONALIZING of conferences to get to 8 or 12 conference and have a REAL Playoff and crown a True National Champion. It could be done, but the NCAA doesn't have the guts to make it happen...and they love the press and the "controversy" the current format brings with it and the new format will bring. NIL and the transfer portal can definitely lead to a leveling of talent across the nation, and if the NCAA were to grab the reins they could steer this towards a Playoff that could really give the opportunity for every team in D1 to have a shot at a National Championship on Day 1 of the season. AND that is what is missing in any playoff format where conferences can have more than one team in... Special treatment for Notre Dame? The people at the Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel (NBC) will be shocked to hear that I am sure. Money HAS ruined NCAA D1 football. We went years without a championship game and it was mostly fine. When it wasn't it gave people something to talk about in the long winters as they waited till Spring. The fact every level of football had a championship game except D1 is what made it special to me. Now, it is just semi-pro football. As far as teams changing conferences that is nothing really new. It is just getting more attention based on WHAT teams are changing and which conferences they go to plus how it all effects the BS, I mean BCS, and the money involved. I can't tell if you referring to the BCS as BS is an unintentional slip of the tongue or not. Either way BS is exactly what the Bowl Championship Series was. I didn't follow College Football in the pre-Bowl Alliance/BCS era but one positive thing about it was that it made more Bowl Games matter. If the Southwest Conference Champion was ranked #3 and playing in the Cotton Bowl they knew that if they won their game and the Number One & Two teams lost their games they could still have a chance at winning the National Championship. In most years The BCS made only one game matter. I should say they TRIED to make only one game matter: USC winning the Rose Bowl that one season and sharing the Title with Sugar Bowl winning LSU was a nice middle finger to the BCS. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Nov 16, 2022 18:21:30 GMT -5
Special treatment for Notre Dame? The people at the Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel (NBC) will be shocked to hear that I am sure. Money HAS ruined NCAA D1 football. We went years without a championship game and it was mostly fine. When it wasn't it gave people something to talk about in the long winters as they waited till Spring. The fact every level of football had a championship game except D1 is what made it special to me. Now, it is just semi-pro football. As far as teams changing conferences that is nothing really new. It is just getting more attention based on WHAT teams are changing and which conferences they go to plus how it all effects the BS, I mean BCS, and the money involved. I can't tell if you referring to the BCS as BS is an unintentional slip of the tongue or not. Either way BS is exactly what the Bowl Championship Series was. I didn't follow College Football in the pre-Bowl Alliance/BCS era but one positive thing about it was that it made more Bowl Games matter. If the Southwest Conference Champion was ranked #3 and playing in the Cotton Bowl they knew that if they won their game and the Number One & Two teams lost their games they could still have a chance at winning the National Championship. In most years The BCS made only one game matter. I should say they TRIED to make only one game matter: USC winning the Rose Bowl that one season and sharing the Title with Sugar Bowl winning LSU was a nice middle finger to the BCS. It was an "accidental" slip as I think of the BCS as BS. While having a "real" national champion is nice it cost too much tradition in D1 for me. The funny thing is those for the playoffs complain that a poll is a horrible way to decide a national champion, yet they use polls to decide the playoffs. Money has ruined D1 football for me. I hardly watch anymore and if I do it is because I am at work and a game is on the TV. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Dec 3, 2022 16:17:30 GMT -5
I was hoping this would be the first year since the start of the Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State Invitational that we would not see any of the three in it. But then TCU went and loss. Oh well, maybe next year.
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Post by paul on Dec 3, 2022 17:25:47 GMT -5
I was hoping this would be the first year since the start of the Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State Invitational that we would not see any of the three in it. But then TCU went and loss. Oh well, maybe next year. Ohio State will probably get in at the expense of USC though. I think TCU still makes it because who else can the committee put in? Everyone else has at least two losses and I don't think the committee can justify to the public putting in a two loss team, even Alabama, over a team with one loss which came in overtime in their Conference Championship Game. Regardless of what happens the rest of the day I think the Final Four tomorrow will be Georgia, Michigan, TCU and Ohio State. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Dec 3, 2022 17:34:29 GMT -5
Yea OSU gets in as one of the bottom two will fall out. I would not put it past the committee to drop both TCU and USC. They shouldn't but I would not be surprised if they did.
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Post by Swarm on Dec 3, 2022 18:16:58 GMT -5
I hope everyone has been watching all these games. The past few weeks have produced some of the best football all year.
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Post by tystates on Dec 3, 2022 18:29:52 GMT -5
On the expanded playoffs, it hasn't even happened yet and I heard talk that because the 4 teams that get a bye won't have a home game - that is why they will say let's go to 16 teams.
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