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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 17, 2022 11:18:28 GMT -5
Uncharted Territory podcast episode 103 and the discussion on the Superstar Pro game got me to dig out my old NWA/JCP 1989 bootleg cards. Mind you, I made these when I was 14 and I only ever played the NWA edition so they may be off a little. Guys who played the game more than me, feel free to chime in with suggestions if you want. And anybody who has other cards to share, PLEASE feel free to do so in this thread. First up, Norman The Lunatic AKA Trucker Norm | Norman The Lunatic | General Card
2 DC 7 DC
3 DC 8 OC
4 OC 9 OC
5 OC 10 DC
6 DC 11 OC
12 OC | Defensive card
2 A 7 A
3 B 8 B
4 B 9 A
5 A 10 Reverse
6 C 11 B
12 A | Offensive card
2 ROPES
3 Throw out of ring (DQ)
4 chop to chest 7 XX
5 leg drop 10 P/A
6 punch 7
7 skullcracker 8
8 chinlock 6
9 atomic drop 7
10 AVALANCHE (S)
11 body slam 8
12 butt drop on chest 16 P/A | Specialty
Avalanche
1 16 P/A
2 15 P/A
3 12
4 9
5 9
6 11 | Ropes
1 kick 7
2 clothesline 8
3 NA
4 NA
5 elbow drop 6
6 side suplex 8 |
Sub 2-4 Tag Team 7-10 Priority 3/2 There's more where this came from. So if anyone wants The Skyscrapers, Doom, Steiner Brothers, Michael Hayes, Flyin Brian, Z Man, and others from the late 80s JCP respond to the thread and I'll post more. |
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Post by TDalton on Oct 17, 2022 11:54:33 GMT -5
Looking forward to these!
Quick question - was Norman's "Tag" range supposed to be 7-10 or 7-12?
I know the game used some absolutes with ranges having to start/end with a 2/12. I got away from that rule when I did my WWWF cards. Let me get closer to the percentages I wanted.
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 17, 2022 12:09:05 GMT -5
Looking forward to these! Quick question - was Norman's "Tag" range supposed to be 7-10 or 7-12? I know the game used some absolutes with ranges having to start/end with a 2/12. I got away from that rule when I did my WWWF cards. Let me get closer to the percentages I wanted. Good eye. I suppose it could be something like 9-12. He wasn't good enough in tag to get 7-12. Some of the NWA edition cards have ranges that go outside the 2 or 12 range though, so I used that as a template. |
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 17, 2022 14:20:26 GMT -5
| Z Man Tom Zenk | General Card
2 DC 7 OC
3 OC 8 OC
4 OC/TT 9 DC
5 DC 10 OC
6 DC 11 OC
12 OC | Defensive card
2 A 7 B
3 A 8 B
4 B 9 C
5 B 10 Reverse
6 A 11 A
12 A | Offensive Card
2 Boston Crab 7*
3 arm bar 6
4 fireman's carry 10
5 back brain kick 9
6 Z LOCK (S)
7 chop to chest 8
8 flying head scissors 6
9 swan dive 12 P/A
10 forearm smash 5
11 ROPES
12 backslide 6 P/A | SPECIALTY
Z LOCK
1 12 P/A
2 11 P/A
3 14
4 9
5 10
6 13* | Ropes
1 turnbuckle leap 11
2 sunset flip 7
3 dropkick 6
4 NA
5 superkick 11
6 Z LOCK (S) |
Sub: 2-5 Tag Team: 8-12 Priority: 4/3 Z Lock is a sleeper hold back brain kick is what most Americans called the enzuigiri in 1989 This one may or may not be slightly over powered because I was a Z Man fan as a kid. He was in the middle of his big push where he beat Arn for the TV belt right around when I made this card in late 90, I think. |
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Post by aceldamas on Oct 17, 2022 15:09:15 GMT -5
Played this game a ton from when it came out up to early 2000s.
As far as theses cards, I would say they are a little on the powerful side for who they are. But power creep hits every game. LOL
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 17, 2022 16:07:15 GMT -5
Played this game a ton from when it came out up to early 2000s. As far as theses cards, I would say they are a little on the powerful side for who they are. But power creep hits every game. LOL ........... When I did them it was entirely based on the NWA edition. Flair and Rhodes are top tier, Sullivan and Jimmy Garvin are the lower end, and everyone else is in the middle. So I made Norman about as good as Sullivan and Z Man I gave the TV champ bump to be just a little better. From what I've seen of the earlier editions I think the official NWA set was a bit "leveled up". When I get around to posting the rest Sid and Luger are on par with Sting, who is just a touch lower than Flair and Rhodes. Doom and the Steiner brothers are similar to Powers Of Pain, etc. I just looked at the official cards and did the stats of my bootlegs to be on par with depending on their position on the card. But Z Man and Flyin Brian may have gotten the preferential stat bump because those dudes were money. F Jim Herd! |
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Post by aceldamas on Oct 17, 2022 16:45:33 GMT -5
Played this game a ton from when it came out up to early 2000s. As far as theses cards, I would say they are a little on the powerful side for who they are. But power creep hits every game. LOL ........... When I did them it was entirely based on the NWA edition. Flair and Rhodes are top tier, Sullivan and Jimmy Garvin are the lower end, and everyone else is in the middle. So I made Norman about as good as Sullivan and Z Man I gave the TV champ bump to be just a little better. From what I've seen of the earlier editions I think the official NWA set was a bit "leveled up". When I get around to posting the rest Sid and Luger are on par with Sting, who is just a touch lower than Flair and Rhodes. Doom and the Steiner brothers are similar to Powers Of Pain, etc. I just looked at the official cards and did the stats of my bootlegs to be on par with depending on their position on the card. But Z Man and Flyin Brian may have gotten the preferential stat bump because those dudes were money. F Jim Herd! Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I never played the NWA set. I missed it when it came out. I was able to find scans of them a while back. I do recall thinking that some of those cards were a step above what I was used to. |
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 18, 2022 10:15:30 GMT -5
| Flyin Brian Pillman | General Card
2 OC 7 OC
3 OC 8 DC
4 DC 9 OC
5 OC 10 OC
6 OC/TT 11 DC
12 DC | Defensive Card
2 A 7 B
3 B 8 A
4 C 9 A
5 Reverse 10 B
6 B 11 A
12 A | Offensive Card
2 Ropes
3 body slam 8
4 flying head scissors 9 P/A
5 knife edge chop 8
6 standing dropkick 10
7 snap mare 7
8 AIR PILLMAN (S)
9 eagle split and stomp 7
10 atomic drop 8
11 abdominal stretch 12 *
12 backdrop over ropes (DQ) | Specialty
Air Pillman
1 11
2 10
3 12
4 13 P/A
5 14
6 15 P/A | Ropes
1 NA
2 dropkick off top rope 12 P/A
3 cross bodyblock 6
4 hip toss 7
5 high knee smash 8
6 jumping back elbow smash 10 |
sub: 9-12 tag team: 2-5 priority: 3/3 "backdrop over ropes" was there because of that spot Pillman would do where he'd be selling on the ropes, the opponent would charge, and he'd duck and lift to send them over the ropes. The commentators would always have to explain "that would normally be a disqualification but the opponent's momentum sent them over the top" or something. Also, practically every card in the NWA edition has priority 4 or 5, so it was originally 4 but I edited Brian down to priority 3 when I posted this. |
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Oct 21, 2022 13:14:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the mention on the latest Uncharted Territory, Tim. Important to note as Tim said, these are based on the NWA edition of the game so they are a little different than the standard version. These used 1D6 on ropes instead of 2D6, the priorities tended to be mostly 4 and 5 in singles (which I'm adjusting here), and they tend to have somewhat higher point moves leading to usually slightly shorter matches. That written, here's another. | LEX LUGER | General Card
2 DC 7 OC
3 OC 8 OC
4 OC 9 DC
5 DC 10 OC
6 DC 11 OC
12 OC | Defensive Card
2 B 7 C
3 A 8 A
4 A 9 A
5 Reverse 10 B
6 A 11 A
12 B | Offensive Card
2 elbow smash 7
3 throw out of ring (DQ)
4 bear hug 10*
5 running clothesline 8 (XX)
6 headlock 6
7 back body drop 6
8 HUMAN TORTURE RACK (S)
9 inverted atomic drop 8 P/A
10 suplex 9
11 ROPES
12 knee to midsection 7 | Specialty
Torture Rack
1 12 P/A
2 11
3 14
4 9
5 10
6 13* | Ropes
2 NA
3 rotating power slam 12
4 superplex 15 P/A
5 jumping elbow drop 6
6 press slam 8 P/A |
Sub: 2-3 Tag Team: 2-4 Priority: 5/2 |
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Post by TTX on Oct 22, 2022 10:23:15 GMT -5
After listening to the review, I understand it a little more. Fun bootlegs.
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