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Post by crimsoncross on Jun 14, 2009 13:11:21 GMT -5
We all like to look to the possible future signings, I would like to see a few more non-wrestling managers or wrestling managers if it's possible.
One name that really comes to mind is James Mitchell, here is a former SMW, ECW, WCW and TNA manager that really has done in my view alot for the manager ranks and he would make for a great addition to LOW.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jun 14, 2009 13:54:09 GMT -5
While I appreciate where you are coming from, I always look at managers (with or without wrestling stats) as a waste in a set. I would rather have them as LE cards and make the sets full of wrestlers, so people can choose whether they want them or not. (Just like the uocoming midget wrestlers this summer)
I know that some people would not buy the manager cards (I would, because I buy every card released), but I think having only wrestlers in the set will make people feel that a set is stronger than one with non-wrestling cards mixed in.
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Post by crimsoncross on Jun 14, 2009 14:05:27 GMT -5
I agree not as a set, as LE's would be fine and with a manager chart on the back is what I'm aiming at too with non-wrestling managers. Managers were key factors in the day and they add to the great history of wrestling...
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Post by kingwiththeax on Jun 14, 2009 14:19:28 GMT -5
I proposed this awhile back to TM, but his concern was that it may not sell. That would be taking all the managers cards that do not have personal interference charts (like Farouk, Fairplay etc.), and making them that way in an official capacity with new art. I personally would buy them, especially with new art attached to them. New art would not be a "deal breaker", but I thought new art would make the managers cards more appealing to those that already own the cards as is. I know there are bootleg versions of these cards out there, but I think it would be a nice to have official versions out. Since I have used the wrestling stats a total of 3 times combined for all the managers in the 3-4 years I've been playing LOW.....
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Post by markyhitch on Jun 14, 2009 14:39:12 GMT -5
I've mentioned it somewhere before that I was unhappy with manager cards with wrestling stats when all that is needed is the Manager Interference Chart and a distraction rating which we can all make up.
By the way, how often do you personally allow the manager to interfere during a match? For tagteam bouts, I allow it one time, but in singles I roll for every pin attempt.
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Post by TTX on Jun 14, 2009 15:09:38 GMT -5
I have never quite seen the point of giving every manager a unique inteference chart when for the most part the only thing that varies among most managers is what foreign object they used to help their wrestlers.
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Post by kingwiththeax on Jun 14, 2009 15:17:12 GMT -5
I just like the "personal feel" that the unique interference charts give. Like where you could definitely feel the difference in guys like Bobby Heenan interfering as opposed to when a guy like Virgil would interfere. And guys like Jim Cornette who sometimes even interferes when his guys "are on offense". And the personal interference charts can be "rated", so the more successful managers succeed more in their attempts rather than just rolling on the same chart for everyone. Like Bobby Heenan would have a lot more success percentage wise than Jonny Fairplay etc.
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Post by EpicDave on Jun 14, 2009 15:24:43 GMT -5
I proposed this awhile back to TM, but his concern was that it may not sell. That would be taking all the managers cards that do not have personal interference charts (like Farouk, Fairplay etc.), and making them that way in an official capacity with new art. I personally would buy them, especially with new art attached to them. New art would not be a "deal breaker", but I thought new art would make the managers cards more appealing to those that already own the cards as is. I know there are bootleg versions of these cards out there, but I think it would be a nice to have official versions out. Since I have used the wrestling stats a total of 3 times combined for all the managers in the 3-4 years I've been playing LOW..... I would definitely buy this set and use it regularly.
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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on Jun 14, 2009 16:14:19 GMT -5
Ah, managers! Love em or hate em, they're always in the mix!
In my feds, I used a different rule. With the exception of matches where no one is allowed at ringside, a manager can negate a pin attempt at any point in a match. Once they do that, I roll on their Distractor Rating. If the roll is that number of less, they get another pin negation. If they fail, the referee sends them away from ringside. Once a manager stops two pin attempts, they are automatically ejected. Simple house rule based on penalty cards in soccer, but it does the trick.
As far as the cards themselves go, I am glad no one is still using cards for managers with nothing on the backs of them, because I am not happy with cards that just look pretty. Stats are fine on the back, as I can usually find a way to use them (Bobby Heenan vs. Jim Cornette was a classic match!). But I really like when there is a chart on the back of them. For me, it really lends to the uniqueness of that manager, and allows them to stand out from any other managers I may be using.
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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 14, 2009 19:30:31 GMT -5
One of the things I love about COTG/LOW, compared to video games and other types of games, is the flexibility--in that you the promoter can be creative and come up with situations, even though the dice dictate the results. With all charts in this game (Ropes, Turnbuckle, Ring, Deathjump, special match charts, etc.), you the promoter have the liberty to improvise. I look at a guy like Yukon Eric, who has a Ropes rating of A. The reason he was given this (as explained in the Vintage handbook) is how he would just stand there and his opponent would bounce off of him (i.e. take a bump off a shoulder block from the big man). Does that Ropes rating mean that Eric did a lot of sunset flips, small packages, etc.? I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing probably not! That's where improvisation and flexibility come into play. This relates to managers and interference charts too. The charts give basic situations, but it's up to you the promoter to decide how exactly the situation plays out in the match/storyline. This can relate to COTG managers, but is even more appropriate for LOW, since the managers are real-life personalities and we've seen them in action. On the subject of wrestling vs. non-wrestling managers, with LOW especially, you're going to come across more managers who at some point got in the ring. Jim Cornette main evented against Bob Armstrong in Smoky Mountain Wrestling, in battle for the commissioner position. Fans would pay to see a sneaky, heel manager get beaten by the babyface, after interfering in the face's matches. Or sometimes (as happens with dice rolls in LOW), the heel manager might get a sneaky win in the ring against the face. I do think there's a place for specialized charts. Abdullah Farouk, from what I've seen and read, wasn't as active of a manager in the WW(W)F as The Grand Wizard. But as Farouk, with The Sheik, he was an essential "part" of distracting the ref, while Sheik performed his illegal tactics. I don't think Farouk wrestled much, if at all, so a chart for him is fine, since in real life (again, as Farouk) he primarily managed Sheik. Tiger Mask had a unique offensive with out of the ring dives, so that's part of the reason we give him a special chart in the International set. Just my thoughts. And in response to Crimson Cross's original post, I think Jim Mitchell would be a great character to have in LOW.
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