bear805
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Post by bear805 on Oct 15, 2024 21:00:56 GMT -5
I'm curious what peoples thoughts are on using the ropes or holding the tights during a pin in a No Disqualification match. Would the ref keep counting even if he sees it? Looking at story angles that could be used in COTG, LoW, and Indies.
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Post by on_the_edge on Oct 15, 2024 21:26:19 GMT -5
I guess it would depend on the ref. In real life I have seen it happen, and I think the ref refused to make the count sometimes and a few times they give the heel a look but end up starting their count. Since you mentioned story angles it would be best to go with what works for which direction you wish to go.
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Post by Cory Olson on Oct 15, 2024 21:37:03 GMT -5
That's a great question. I would see this as being totally legal in a No-DQ Match. If you can use chairs, tables, chains, etc., I think ropes and tights should be allowed. I could see a cocky heel beating on the face with weapons for several minutes and then getting the win with hooking the tights.  A similar topic that's been debated in real-life pro wrestling is when a wrestler grabs the ropes to break up a submission or gets a foot on the ropes to break up a pin in a No-DQ Match. Should the offensive wrestler have to stop his winning attempt? That one I can justify, as I always saw the ropes as sort of the out-of-bounds area and even in a No-DQ Match, you couldn't get the win out of bounds. In a Falls Count Anywhere Match, that's a different story. |
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Post by Pete on Oct 15, 2024 21:45:29 GMT -5
Ropes should break the pin unless it's falls count anywhere. It's not an issue of being disqualified, it's an issue of the pin not being legal. You can't pin somebody if either the pinner or pinee is in the ropes, anymore than you can pin them on the arena floor.
That's if the referee sees it, of course.
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bear805
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Post by bear805 on Oct 15, 2024 21:58:05 GMT -5
Ropes should break the pin unless it's falls count anywhere. It's not an issue of being disqualified, it's an issue of the pin not being legal. You can't pin somebody if either the pinner or pinee is in the ropes, anymore than you can pin them on the arena floor. That's if the referee sees it, of course. But isn't a big part of No DQ matches being able to do illegal stuff? |
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Post by bear805 on Oct 15, 2024 22:21:12 GMT -5
A similar topic that's been debated in real-life pro wrestling is when a wrestler grabs the ropes to break up a submission or gets a foot on the ropes to break up a pin in a No-DQ Match. Should the offensive wrestler have to stop his winning attempt? That one I can justify, as I always saw the ropes as sort of the out-of-bounds area and even in a No-DQ Match, you couldn't get the win out of bounds. In a Falls Count Anywhere Match, that's a different story. that is definitely another good topic because in a NO DQ match the ropes could be used as a weapon of sorts as well. can tie the opponent up in them by the neck to choke them or by the arms to immobilize them and beat them with a chair or other weapon and its legal. so why not as leverage during a pin attempt? so using the ropes as an offensive measure in a NO DQ match i can see but as a defensive measure to break a pin or submission not sure |
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Post by TTX on Oct 16, 2024 4:49:03 GMT -5
There are still rules in a no DQ match. You just can't be disqualified for breaking them. Still, you have to do the pin in the ring and without your opponent on the ropes.
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Post by bear805 on Oct 16, 2024 6:28:19 GMT -5
There are still rules in a no DQ match. You just can't be disqualified for breaking them. Still, you have to do the pin in the ring and without your opponent on the ropes. Ok so I would need added stipulations or a different type of match such as no holds barred or anything goes to have the ref kinda shake his head but still do the count |
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Post by TTX on Oct 16, 2024 6:34:52 GMT -5
right.
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Post by Vegas on Oct 16, 2024 7:16:53 GMT -5
Ropes should break the pin unless it's falls count anywhere. It's not an issue of being disqualified, it's an issue of the pin not being legal. You can't pin somebody if either the pinner or pinee is in the ropes, anymore than you can pin them on the arena floor. That's if the referee sees it, of course. But isn't a big part of No DQ matches being able to do illegal stuff? the way I look at it is in a no DQ match you do not get DQd for things you would normally get DQd for in a standard rules match so, for example, in a no DQ match you can blatantly smash somebody with a chair and not get DQd as that is something that would usually get you DQd in a regular match however, you usually do not get DQd in a regular match for using the ropes while making a pin attempt against the opponent as instead the ref if he/she sees it just does not count the pin attempt, so in a no DQ match you still can't use the ropes while trying to pin somebody |
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