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Post by inquisator on Sept 19, 2009 10:34:13 GMT -5
My brother and I are not in a great financial position right now......but we will do what we can to see that Lipstick 2 sees the light of day.... He did the stats for all but China in set 1, and has all the set two stats ready to go... Unfortunately we are neither computer savy and can not draw a lick...so give us a little time and we will get it out there... seriously cool female legends... check out his older stuff....... games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LOWWomensWrestling/?yguid=205447962
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Post by LWPD on Sept 19, 2009 12:43:14 GMT -5
My brother and I are not in a great financial position right now......but we will do what we can to see that Lipstick 2 sees the light of day.... I'd be happy to commission Werner to do art for the first four cards to help you guys get going. Who is in the set?
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Post by Count Necros on Sept 19, 2009 19:32:01 GMT -5
Wow...that is an extremely generous offer. I do appreciate that, thanks. I am glad that there is still interest in L&D II. I am sure there is interest NOTM but I only did the occasional female stat for those sets. I put a lot of research and time into L&D 1, 1.5 and 2 sets. I also appreciate the official LOW contributors even more as I know how hard it can be striking the balance between where the wrestler stands in his/her overall status of the sport and among his/her peers.
Here is the proposed finalized lineup for the L&D II, this set was to feature two tag teams, some LOTF, and an 80's wrestler.
Noriyo Tateno (Jumping Bomb Angels) Itsuki Yamazaki (Jumping Bomb Angels) Leilani Kai (Glamour Girls) Judy Martin (Glamour Girls) Wendi Richter MsChif Madison Rayne Sarah Stock
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Post by TTX on Sept 19, 2009 21:54:49 GMT -5
If you need me to look over the stats, just give me a holler.
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Post by captaincold on Sept 20, 2009 8:15:32 GMT -5
I have stats for a few lady wrestlers if someone wants to go over the cards and make it official you're welcome tio us them. One I know I have for sure is Bette Boucher. Let me know
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Post by TTX on Sept 20, 2009 10:05:46 GMT -5
I'll look over anyone's stats to make sure they're official. Just PM me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2009 12:22:56 GMT -5
Bette Boucher is one i dont have. i'll pm you my email addy.
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Post by kingwiththeax on Sept 20, 2009 23:07:04 GMT -5
In fairness to CPB, he was the one that picked out the roster and got the people to work on it(I did the Chyna card for the L&D 1 set, plus several in the NOTM series). And I know that at least 2 of the cards in the set (Richter and MsChief) were done by a 3rd party. I am not going to name who that is, but I think that person should be given credit for the work that he did on the L&D2 cards that he did. And his permission should be gotten to include them in this set.
If this set is produced without CPB, at least have the decency to change the name of it. Think of him what you want, but CPB did shell out a lot of his own money to commission Werner to draw these sets. Without his financial backing and organization, none of these sets would have even been possible. I know that the wrestler stats were not his, but the name of the set, Lipstick and Dynamite was his. I wish that he would have kept the site up also, but I think producing a set that was his idea, his name, and his money (for set 1) just isn't right. A show of respect and changing the name of the set at least should be done.
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Post by inquisator on Sept 21, 2009 7:30:36 GMT -5
It was never our intention to take any credit away from CPB (my brother collaborated on the name of the set) and all credit for his effort and expense will be rightfully given to CPB...
This set may be further along then we originally thoght....
Politics aside, CPB was a great contributer to the LOW community....We just want to see all of his, Wener's, and my brother's hard work, make it to the people it was intended for.....the COTG community.....and those who love the game, and women's wrestling. Of course if we have to take adiffernt route and comission art ourselves we will name the new set appropriately so all parties get full credit....(including CPB)
If the set is further along.......it may turn out to be the set he envisioned....part of his NOTM line with all credit given to the creators (including CPB)
.............At this point Lipstick 2 is a placeholder name so we all know what we are talking about, if it turns about to be CPB's finished set.......he will get all the credit he deserves for contributions to the game....
I'm not very good at playing politics ;D, Just a LOW fan who wants what's best for the community and Tom's vision
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Post by Splattercat on Sept 21, 2009 9:22:01 GMT -5
Due respect, but I think the operative word there is expense...You don't credit someone with expense...That would be like taking Knapik's WWF '85 set, release it to a group of people saying "Knapik brought everything together, came up with the name and everything and paid for it, but it's our set"...
There's a difference between effort and collaboration, and actually making the set happen...There were people who did stats, checked over stats, made suggestions, playtested, and contributed to final lineups (via online polls). But one guy made the concept, one guy drew together the final product, and most importantly, one guy paid to make it all happen...You take away any collaborator and the set goes ahead...You take away that one guy and the set doesn't exist...And you know what..? Pittbull's the first guy to tell you the names and contributions of all those collaborators...
Now then, what you're doing is bringing together a project of female wrestlers...So I suggest you take that one step further and get a fresh new concept, draw together a final product and release it to whoever you like. Make the set your own by distinguishing it from the work that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the guy that made it happen...
Fact is, L&D2 is all but completed...All the pieces are there, the stats are done, the art's underway and as soon as the art's completed the set's complete...Work on L&D2 continued without pause regardless of everything else that was going on, and Lipstick and Dynamite 2 will be completed in spite of it...Same with Nightmares of the Mat 4...And I think the important thing is, that everyone who gets these sets will know who worked on them, and know who contributed to them, and the people who contributed will get the recognition and respect they deserve...
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