GWFZ Conversion to GWF chart

[GrumpyBigBee]

I personally love the GWFZ but feel that they shouldnt hold a candle to the GWF guys so Ive been working on a GWF Conversion chart.

Any thoughts, ideas, rants, raves, and or any comments that you want to share?

[Trent Lawless]

I'd say it has to go beyond reducing power, agility, and chart ratings. Their offenses and defenses wouldn't be as good against better competition, either. Not sure how you'd figure that into a chart, though.

[TTX]

You'd pretty much have to rewrite the cards.

[Trent Lawless]

Maybe on any defensive turnaround, roll one die. Even=successful, Odd=unsuccessful and substitute dazed-1, hurt-2, or down-3 for whatever level you're on (if the turnaround was at, say, L1O5, substitute dazed-1; but if it was at L2O3, substitute hurt-2). If that makes sense.

[wildfire]

I don't use the Z guys, but I have downgraded bootlegs before... this is what I do:


+1 to AG and PW
+1 to pin

On Offense:

Change the 1st '3' move on Level 2 Offense to a 2
Change all add 1's to '3'

For the finisher:
-1 if its a regular one
add another number to miss if its a roll
change both to add 1s if there are two (0) finishers

On Defense:

Level 2:

Change on reversal to hurt-2 (if there's only 1 already, change a hurt - 2 to a down- 3)

Level 3: Change a hurt -2 to a down - 3


I've found this to work pretty well, though you kinda have to write it down on the card for it to work... it's a bit much to keep in your head.

[jmello]

The GWFZ guys are designed to be not as good as GWF guys. No conversion chart should be needed. Granted they're better then some of the lower tier guys, but thats true in "real" wrestling as well.

[swarm]

Jmell is right. They're actually already designed/edited that way by Tom. The GWFZ is the next step down from the GWF. So you see more down - 3's and less dazed - 1 on the GWFZ guys.

[TTX]

It's how you could see some ROH or TNA guys being better than say Charlie Haas or Tommy Dreamer.

[Trent Lawless]

I guess it's all in how you want to frame your Z fed in comparison to the GWF. Personally I would want the top Z guy to beat a mid-level GWF guy maybe 10% of the time, just because the top fed should really be the top fed IMO, and the way the cards are designed, it would probably be 50-50 in that scenario (say an Overtime vs. Tricks series). But by the same token, you wouldn't want to create an entire fed of guys who look horrible on paper, so the parity that they have right now with each other is pretty good.

I don't know if I'll ever mix Z and GWF guys, but if I did want to, I'd probably use some kind of a conversion chart at first, then as I want to give a guy a push, I'd scale back the conversion until the regular card stats would suffice. That way it would look like he was honing his craft and getting better.

[GrumpyBigBee]

Thanks for all the feed back guys! Gives me a lot to work with. No promises when Ill get this done but shooting for GCON2123 at the very latest. promise!