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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Aug 4, 2010 20:38:26 GMT -5
I disagree Maxx, the drawback is the rest of the card. The only thing he has really is the 3 finishers.Anyway I like the idea of these older guys having 3 of the same finishers.They were way more likely to grab a hold for minutes at a time or do something over and over till they won.To me it makes sense.The definition of the Flying Mare ; A wrestling throw in which one grabs one's opponent's wrist, turns one's back to the opponent, and flips the opponent over one's shoulder onto the ground.
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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Aug 4, 2010 20:40:13 GMT -5
The ch A still needs changed as it gives two chances at the ropes chart. ch C or F would go with the two move there. While I agree that this card needs it, I don't think having 2 ways to toss someone into the ropes/buckle is against any rules.I actually think we should see this once in awhile, there are guys out there who just love to Irish Whip people either into the ropes or the turnbuckle constantly.
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Post by Shon Maxx on Aug 5, 2010 7:22:44 GMT -5
I disagree Maxx, the drawback is the rest of the card. The only thing he has really is the 3 finishers.Anyway I like the idea of these older guys having 3 of the same finishers.They were way more likely to grab a hold for minutes at a time or do something over and over till they won.To me it makes sense.The definition of the Flying Mare ; A wrestling throw in which one grabs one's opponent's wrist, turns one's back to the opponent, and flips the opponent over one's shoulder onto the ground. Trust me, I like the triple fin, but I figured dropping one would balance the card more. Having both a strong defense and triple finisher would . . . make a card I'd really enjoy. However, I don't know if it'd make him too powerful to some. As for the flying mare, I like the original idea better. It sounds a lot more painful.
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Post by tystates on Aug 5, 2010 11:34:29 GMT -5
The ch A still needs changed as it gives two chances at the ropes chart. ch C or F would go with the two move there. While I agree that this card needs it, I don't think having 2 ways to toss someone into the ropes/buckle is against any rules.I actually think we should see this once in awhile, there are guys out there who just love to Irish Whip people either into the ropes or the turnbuckle constantly. It is against the creation rules to have the possibility to use the same chart twice. Out of the ring is the only exception. I won't say 100% it hasn't happened but I can't think of any LOW cards that did. Some of the card rules have been ignored on occasion like no deathjump option for the pre 1900 wrestlers, so who knows in the future somebody could have into the ropes and ch A on the card.
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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Aug 5, 2010 14:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I think like some of the Lucha guys would be an obvious exception.
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Post by pikemojo on Oct 5, 2010 0:09:44 GMT -5
I have never really been a fan of 3 finishers without some sort of drawback. 3 finishers is huge if you make it toecap 3 offense Agreed. I'd drop it to 2 finishers and make his L2 Defense stronger. Maybe give him 3 counters on that level at the cost of his -3 move on L1 offense. I'd also like to see at least 1-2 takedown/brawling moves on him. I'm not sure if that's accurate; he just seems to have too many submissions and no fighting moves. Even Gotch had the backdrop and punches. I do like the idea of his finisher. Has any recent wrestlers used this, and is there a picture or video of it? For the record, my thoughts aren't knocking your character, just posting my personal thoughts on what I think would make him a fun card to use. He actually has more takedowns or standing type moves than he does grounded submissions. Some of the moves like the full chancery would have at least started in the standing position. As far as the "roughness" of his card vs. Gotch's...Gotch was known to be quite rough in the ring. He got away with ALOT. Muldoon was nowhere near that rough...or talented. I am reposting this card with my updated stats to reflect the suggestions here but still keeping some of my original ideas (3 finishers). I will look back to my research to see what they were calling his throws in the old articles I was reading. I may have to just call it a snap mare if flying mare is the incorrect term
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