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Post by Crimson Cross on Sept 8, 2011 13:35:27 GMT -5
LMAO! I've talked with a few people from North Carolina and they told me Jeff Hardy will serve little time if at all and well he's getting 10 days. They rather go after the Big Fish ( Drug Kingpins ) than the Little Fish ( Minor Drug Users / Providers ) like Jeff Hardy from what I was told by those from North Carolina and I'm sure Jeff Hardy's quote celeb status helped to get him the lighter sentence and in the end Hardy will and has returned to TNA to do what he does... www.fayobserver.com/articles/2011/09/08/1121382?sac=LocalWhats really bad is they spent all that time and tax payers money to end up with 10 days, North Carolina had a chance to make a statement with Jeff Hardy in a good way, but they went the wrong way in my book and gave him a slap on the wrist...
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 8, 2011 15:06:07 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with your assessment, CC. I believe any statement that could be made from "tough sentencing" would read like this; that the United States can persecute and prosecute people with a sickness who put toxic substances into their own bodies regardless of whether it really helps or not. That we can spend----and you want to talk about taxpayer money----hundreds of thousands of dollars to lock up addicts to prove we're hardcore and tough. What does it benefit society if Jeff Hardy, or any addict in his situation, is sitting in a jail cell somewhere? How does that boon my life OR his?
This could take a real political bent really quickly. I'll just add that we have a higher prison population per capita than anywhere else in the civilized world and I'm not seeing the payoff. I think it's time to take a more reasoned and civilized approach to dealing with things instead of the prosecute and lock 'em up mentality the "justice system" in this country currently takes. I've never understood the mindset of an addict, but I know it is a weakness and a sickness. Nothing short of rehabilitating that sick mindset is going to work for them and jail or prison time just seems to aggravate the problem judging by the statistics.
Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Jeff Hardy or his lifestyle choices, and I abhor the chemical culture whether it is pushed by the street peddler or the pharmaceutical industry lackey in the white coat. I hope Hardy takes comes through this with a more enlightened worldview and lives a long and fruitful life (which is essentially my hope for all mankind, optimistic pacifist that I am)
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Post by swarm on Sept 8, 2011 15:15:31 GMT -5
I've never understood the mindset of an addict, but I know it is a weakness and a sickness. Doing drugs is not a sickness. It's a choice. Nothing short of rehabilitating that sick mindset is going to work for them and jail or prison time just seems to aggravate the problem judging by the statistics. Jeff Hardy has been to rehab. Didn't help. TNA then offered to send him back and he refused. No other choice but to throw human trash like this into cells, either padded or not. Can't have people like this roaming free. It's one thing to be a danger to yourself. It's another thing to put others in danger. When it gets to that point there is no other option.
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 8, 2011 16:00:08 GMT -5
Okay Rob, you won me over: it's either deal with the problem in a holistic manner or let you shoot him in the head. Either or. I wash my hands of it and it'd save a lot of taxpayer money and agonizing.
PS: I write that because jail doesn't work and costs other people money and traditional rehab programs are a joke. So, lacking the will to explore any other options, I say we just let Rob shoot them all in the head. It's got to be Rob, though; he looks like he's probably a good shot.
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Post by vx on Sept 8, 2011 16:21:05 GMT -5
What does it benefit society if Jeff Hardy, or any addict in his situation, is sitting in a jail cell somewhere? How does that boon my life OR his? I don't know; having a junkie behind bars perhaps prevents him from stabbing some guy for ten dollars so he can get his next fix? That happens. Yes it does! It also prevents him from operating a motor vehicle and killing some pedestrian because they were so bombed out of their minds that they had no clue that the sidewalk wasn't Highway 59? What does it benefit society to lock these people up? Do we really have to ask that question?
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 8, 2011 16:34:27 GMT -5
Yes, I honestly think we do. Again, look at the statistics. They are going in with bad and coming out worse. None of these people are going "hey, you mean I could go to jail for this? Wow, I've got to clean up!" In fact, they're going into prison, learning all sorts of "neat ways" to be bigger deviants and criminals when they come out.
I think it's time we evolved the idea of "rehabilitation" and look for something that----I don't know-----actually works. Then again, this is the same country that runs from establishment democrat to establishment republican every four years and ignores or shouts down anyone with any real and viable new ideas, so I suppose I'm in the very small minority.
Bottom line: the guy serves ten days, does the other stuff that goes with it, and moves on and none of our opinions alter the situation. If he gets busted again we can do this all over another day. For now, that's what we have Kurt Angle for.
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Post by vx on Sept 8, 2011 16:43:33 GMT -5
I won't argue that the system is broke.
I do think we have to stop making excuses for behavior, however. Stop calling things "mistakes". A quarterback reads zone, throws into double coverage. That's a mistake. People knowing what they are doing and not caring about the consequences.....that's not a mistake. That's behavior that needs to be dealt with.
The same with calling things sicknesses. Cancer is a disease. AIDS is a disease. What Hardy is a behavior issue, not a disease. The only addicts who should get a pass are those born addicted to drugs thanks to selfish drug-using moms. Everyone else did it to themselves.
Does the current system work? Not anymore. I don't know what the solution is but I do know that somewhere a statement needs to be made that blatant disregard for the law and the safety of those who share society with you and then minimizing it by calling it a mistake or blaming someone else will no longer be acceptable or tolerated.
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Post by marktaggart on Sept 8, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -5
The same with calling things sicknesses. Cancer is a disease. AIDS is a disease. What Hardy is a behavior issue, not a disease. The only addicts who should get a pass are those born addicted to drugs thanks to selfish drug-using moms. Everyone else did it to themselves. Then, by that reasoning, we should have no compassion for most people afflicted with AIDS, because it was contracted because of their own irresponsible behavior (which you could make a case for too, actually). I'm not splitting hairs here, call it what you will. I'm just saying we can try something different and make these people productive beings again, or we can "lock em up and make em pay", make them a bigger burden, and kick them out the other side worse than the way they came in. Jeff Hardy never endangered anyone with his actions as far as I recall. Possibly Sting, but Sting handled it pretty well. Never to my knowledge ran his car into a tree, never got into any trouble stealing to buy drugs or mugging anyone for a dime bag. He had drugs shipped to his house. Here's a thought, and I'm just spit-ballin here: we take a little chunk of land (I volunteer Mississippi), fence it off, and let people like this go in and live like they want to live as long as they just agree to never come out (maybe do something so they won't procreate too, while we're at it). Problem solved. They all kill each other? Let the last one left smoke the ashes. Not my problem, none of my business as long as everyone involved is in agreement and they're not hurting anyone else.
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