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Post by pressslam on Oct 26, 2011 17:33:44 GMT -5
I'm really happy to see Jimmy Hart in the game. The 80's were the years I got into wrestling and those cartoon like WWF era wrestlers and managers are the reason I became such a big fan. It brings back such strong feelings of nostalgia.
I'm really excited to get this set, I hope he has a megaphone interference chart, that's what I would love to see. The only wrestling role I would have for him would be in special Pay Per View 3 man tag matches.
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Post by j on Oct 26, 2011 18:47:08 GMT -5
i'm hoping for wrestling stats...
who wouldn't want to see Jimmy Hart vs Jim Cornette?
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Post by du5tin on Oct 26, 2011 18:55:21 GMT -5
He should 100% represent what he did during his time in the WWF. That's how he is most well known and what the majority of people are going to want and expect when they buy the set. Whatever he did most/best in the WWF should be on the back of his card. IMO that means an outside interference/megaphone chart and a distractor rating. On a related topic, I can't decide if I like the art or not. It looks like him, but I'm really underwhelmed by the simple shadow background. How about a big heart? Or a mega phone? On one hand LOW has a very classic look, being in black and white. So I see how a simple, classic look with just the shadow could work. On the other hand when I think of Jimmy Hart I think of animation and color - loud and in your face. The background shadow is really mello for a guy like Jimmy Hart. Going by that, why didn't we get the following Andre:  Isn't that how most remember him? |
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Post by swarm on Oct 26, 2011 20:00:06 GMT -5
That's a good question. The Andre card we have now is awesome but that one is definitely the most famous version.
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Post by du5tin on Oct 26, 2011 20:11:19 GMT -5
That's a good question. The Andre card we have now is awesome but that one is definitely the most famous version. Yeah, don't get me wrong: I love our Andre card. However, it'd be cool if we got a WWF version as well one day; maybe in the Promoter. |
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Post by TTX on Oct 26, 2011 20:54:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I could see it as a promoter version.
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Post by Vegas on Oct 26, 2011 20:55:23 GMT -5
I personally really think Jimmy Hart's card should be consistent with the other LOW manager cards and have the wrestling stats on the back.
Abdullah Farouk is the only LOW manager so far with a printed card that has a distraction chart on the back, but from what I understand Farouk didn't wrestle and Jimmy Hart occasionally did- including last January in the Legends Rumble Royal at PWG's Kurt Russelreunion II where Hart once he entered the Rumble teamed up at first with Danny Davis but then eliminated himself by jumping over the top rope when one of the Powers of Pain (I think it was the Warlord if I remember correctly) came rushing at him.
Bill Alphonso also has a chart on the back of his card, but Alphonso's chart is a referee chart and not a manager chart.
There are ways to have both. Perhaps a mechanic on the back of the card involving the microphone or perhaps a distraction chart in the handbook sort of like how Chuck Taylor had a chart for using the grenade in the handbook for the LOTF2 set.
But I strongly think the wrestling stats should be on the back of the card as it is much easier to imagine different types of interference with a distraction rating without an distratction chart on the back like we already do anyway for all the other LOW managers with wrestling stats than use Jimmy Hart in a match (like all the other LOW managers except Farouk) without wrestling stats on the back of the card.
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Post by luke929 on Oct 26, 2011 21:03:16 GMT -5
i'm hoping for wrestling stats... who wouldn't want to see Jimmy Hart vs Jim Cornette? QFT. I would be in favor of wrestling stats on the back of the card, with a chart to be included on the back of the guide. Just my 2 cents... |
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Post by TTX on Oct 26, 2011 21:15:01 GMT -5
Seems the best of both worlds.
And I do enjoy having managers beating up on each other. Ellering vs Cornette has been a legendary feud for me.
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Post by Pete on Oct 26, 2011 23:07:08 GMT -5
Again, just me, but I don't at ALL like having to search for the right Legends booklet any time I want to use Tiger Mask. Most of the time I just end up ignoring the mechanic anyway.
As for differentiating from "normal" Manager Interference or Distractions, maybe you could have the option to roll on the Manager Interference Chart or use the back of the card, which deals exclusively with Hart tossing the megaphone into the ring. That would be an option for getting Hart involved but staying "safe" outside the ring and would provide a bit of an added dimension to his ring presence. Because Hart was such a huge, constant nuisance at ringside, I'd even have the option where he can use BOTH charts in one match.
They were able to put Cornette interference onto the Midnights' cards and that worked fine. The problem is, Cornette is pretty much 100% identified with the Midnights. Jimmy Hart managed more wrestlers than anyone in history (the guy would cycle through 20 or 30 guys in an average calendar year in Memphis, plus lots of special guests like Bockwinkel and Crusher Blackwell--not to mention full stable turnover in his WWF stint). He's not as closely identified to any one wrestler or team the way Cornette was.
Andre...well, maybe his peak was at WM3/The Princess Bride, but it's not like he was plucked from obscurity for that push. He was an international crossover star, famous-to-non-fans celebrity in the 1970's. His extensive write-up in Sports Illustrated--kind of a big deal for a wrestler at the time--came years before the heel turn and push. Plus, the WM3 push came when he was almost completely immobile. A card for that would almost have to have +5 Agility and Man-Mountain-type stats (but better). A worthy project to undertake but definitely not the way you want introduce him to the game.
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