RAW was good 11-28-11

[swarm]

I thought RAW was really good last night for the first time in a long time. There were 4 strong segments/matches.

I HATE Piper but the promo w Cena worked last night. It came off like Piper knew something we don't...that Cena is secretly frustrated and possibly fed up with the boos. Cena was fantastic here. I thought it elevated him as a noble, self-respecting face (and excellent role model for kids) while teasing kinks in his armor, teasing that he may not be all he says he is, and that he is just putting on a game face. I thought it was really strong.

Orton vs. Ziggler was a great match. Even though it wasn't entirely clean I think it helped elevate Dolph.

WWE DESPERATELY needs to elevate about 3 guys to legit Main Event status (and KEEP THEM THERE). Sheamus, Miz, Dolph, Barrett, Cody all these guys are upper-mid card, and when the World Title isn't with Orton, they drop him down to upper middle card to feud with these guys instead of "bringing up" one of them and elevating them. Does that make sense?

I even enjoyed the Daniel Bryan vs. Mark Henry segment. I'm super excited for Henry vs. DB tonight live in the cage for the belt. I think Henry will take DB out in a big injury angle. I think DB comes back @ (and maybe even wins) the Rumble. Imagine if he won the RR, fought for the belt at Mania, lost, then immediately cashed in MITB, locked in the Lebell Lock and won the belt? Could be cool. It really looks to me like it's going to be Henry/Show (as predicted) or both in the World Title picture at Mania. Maybe even add Orton somehow making it a 4-way.

I thought the Main Event was great. Great wrestling match for the WWE Title between your champ and the no.1 contender featured in the Main Event like it should be.

Great RAW. I'm really hoping things begin to turn around the closer we get to the Rumble (like they always seem to do)

one last thing -

anyone notice Bret Hart got BOOED last night? That's called over saturation folks. EVERYONE had it in their mind that Bret Hart was this untouchable legend before he returned to WWE. Then he came back and it was great. Then he came back again, and again, and again. Now people are sick of him.

Legends need to realize this KILLS their legacy. People get sick of seeing these ex-wrestlers walking around as shells of their former selves. Not everyone is Austin and Rock. I hope this was a wake up call for Hart. Stay home and let us remember the Hitman, not the old man.

[floydthebarber]

You make some good points Swarm.

I think it does 'feel' like Orton is dropping down to face-off against those upper-mid carders, but that's only because WWE doesn't give it enough 'push'. The Punk/Orton series is a perfect example of something that was not in the main event picture feeling like it was 'important' nonetheless...and helped CM Punk take a small step forward, even though you could say he was already ahead of where many you listed are right now. Orton for whatever reason can take on anyone, and can make them look good while also almost always making himself look good...but he is also missing 'something' that would put him in that Austin/Rock/Cena level that I think Punk maybe has?

I like where the Cena thing could be going...though I've said that before. Piper helped pull this segment off, you're right Swarm.

Totally agree about Hart. Back to the well once too many.

[jrgoldman]

I could see the Orton feud actually elevating Wade Barrett, because it seems like they are actually having Wade get one up on him from time to time. I like this feud because it makes me think about how awesome it is going to be in a few years when a new young heel tries to make his name by taking out the legend killer himself.

[Bazzy]

I must be watching something else ? . I/We thought it was mainly crap .

Cena and the booing fans is NOW causing him a problem ? . But Cena even says its up to the fans if they boo or cheer , many times in the past .

(By the way) You'd think the WWE , bloody invented Twitter ?

[jrgoldman]

Nov 30, 2011 9:12:13 GMT -5 Bazzy said:

I must be watching something else ? . I/We thought it was mainly crap .

Cena and the booing fans is NOW causing him a problem ? . But Cena even says its up to the fans if they boo or cheer , many times in the past .

(By the way) You'd think the WWE , bloody invented Twitter ?

The point of the Cena segment was not that he is losing faith because the fans are booing him, Piper's point was that Cena should have turned on them a really long time ago.

[Phoenix]

It's interesting they're addressing it, but the WWE doesn't really know what to do about it. Piper is basically saying Cena has to get it off his shoulders and tell the fans what he thinks. I can't Cena turning heel, but it would be .....Well maybe in the wake of WrestleMania..win or lose maybe he could 'have enough of the fans ' and turn.
Still doubt it though.

[Crimson Cross]

I just read that Brodus Clay was suppose to take out Morrison but he Tweeted about the angle and the Tweet was up for a bit before he erased it and so there is another reason the WWE needs to cut the Twitter crap...

[jrgoldman]

Nov 30, 2011 14:26:17 GMT -5 Crimson Cross said:

I just read that Brodus Clay was suppose to take out Morrison but he Tweeted about the angle and the Tweet was up for a bit before he erased it and so there is another reason the WWE needs to cut the Twitter crap...

What a moron. I have to say it's growing sort of funny to me with his constantly put off debut. I hope it just continues for years, and eventually he gets a live future endeavor phone call from Johnny Ace.