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Post by tystates on Nov 27, 2010 10:41:08 GMT -5
I kinda of agree with Ty here. It almost feels like the tag guy is being punished for a strong roll having him roll up to a weaker offensive level. I've always just re-rolled on the same level and will prob continue to do it that way. I think the 1/5 chance is off set by the fact that the guy already rolled a 6 and is getting penalized for it. Also, great work on the things you did/do for Legends Ty. Didn't mean to slight you. Just didn't realize you had your hand in this set along with the rest of the crew. And Happy Birthday bro. Hope it was a good one. swarm Thanks swarm.
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Post by havoc on Nov 27, 2010 11:51:50 GMT -5
You are (officially) playing the game wrong!!!
Just kidding.
The prior rule just makes guys like Hawk too strong. Or maybe my dice like him too much.
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Post by tystates on Nov 27, 2010 11:57:59 GMT -5
Having this discussion with Mike. Hawk has a tag move on lvl. 2 which I would reroll, or move up to lvl 1 like the new rule. I don't think it's making him too strong, it's taking away that 3 move on lvl. 2. He has a listed singles finisher on the card to use in place of the tag move so that is ok. Animal I would reroll the add 1 move on lvl. 2, and the tag finisher. His singles finisher is at #5 on lvl. 3, but rolling a 6 I'd roll again.
What makes a tag wrestler too good in singles is say for Animal you rolled the tag finisher, so just substituted his powerslam at that spot. He'd have 2 finishers then in singles.
This new rule they used for Kendrick the last set, rerolling one of his 3 moves on lvl. 2 up at lvl. 1 in singles.
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Post by talison on Nov 27, 2010 12:32:36 GMT -5
Haven't gotten my set yet or tried the rule. But I wanted to weigh in on the tag subject.
To me, tag wrestlers already seem too weak in singles. I've used the Road Warriors the whole length of my Fed. They are monsters in the tag division. In singles Animal is 6-7-1. Hawk is 3 and 4. So granted, they haven't had to many singles matches. It's usually only when one is hurt that the other has a lot of singles matches. But they typically can't buy a win in singles. I had a brief feud where Hawk managed a win over Ted DiBiase, and other than that they haven't gotten near a title or a big run in their scant singles runs. It suspends my disbelief a bit that they are unstoppable together but completely fall apart on their own.
And they aren't the only team that this is happened to. When we got Danny Hodge I let Stan Lane compete among the Cruiserweights just to pad the division. He's 1-10. He gets slaughtered every time in singles. But he's part of one of the three most dominant tag teams in my fed.
Now, I don't have a full basis for this. Lane is 1-10 the same as Larry Sharpe, but Sharpe has been a regular singles competitor. If Lane ONLY competed in singles, I might think he would do better. He would surely do better than Missing Link who is 11-32. Buddy Rose who is 17-29. Sandman who is 25-34. Nigel McGuinnes who is 5-11. Steve Corino who is 9-22. I suppose I would have to put Hawk and Animal into non-stop singles competition to really get an answer, but it seems to me the big tag wrestlers are already weak enough in singles.
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Post by havoc on Nov 27, 2010 12:34:31 GMT -5
I've been using the rule for years and think I used it before the Road Warriors were reissued. Don't remember if there was an extra level three tag move on the original set or if the reissue was art only.
I mainly use Hawk as the example because he got all the way to the final of my first 64 man tournament when I first started playing before I even starting posting in the forums. Of course, since then Greg Valentine and Iron Sheik won world titles and Brent Albright just beat Bruiser Brody and Magnum TA on the same night to advance to the elite 8 of my King of Legends I tournament. The dice don't lie.
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Post by kingwiththeax on Nov 27, 2010 12:58:20 GMT -5
Like with Animal on L2O where he has the spike piledriver-3 add 1 (tag), I normally would just change it to piledriver-3 and go from there. Hawk's combination of 3 -3 moves on L2O combined with really no defensive drawbacks make that a lethal combination. A lot of guys that have 3 -3 moves on L2 normally have a defensive drawback like a down-3 on L2d or a higher pin rating to kind of offset that (guys that are not elite singles competitors like Buddy Rogers for example). But the Road Warriors are a special team, and them not built to dominate would be a travesty. But I do get the premise of the rule. Where Hawk would have a 20% chance of hitting his finisher (1 in 5) where regular singles guys have a 16.% chance (1-6). And at least Hawk has 3 -3 on L2O to have a 50% chance of getting back on L3O. Other tag guys don't get that chance, and I am not good enough in math to figure out how badly it hurts someone's chances dropping a level lower. I could see the rule killing someone like Amish Roadkill, a guy with no singles finisher. Not a big fan of non-jobber guys not having a singles finisher. But it is one guy, not like a rule should be totally discounted over 1 card in a game that has pushing 300 cards in it.......
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Post by havoc on Nov 27, 2010 13:50:36 GMT -5
Just checked. Originally, Hawks double clothesline - 3 (tag) was on level 3 offense. It was moved to level 2 on the reissue.
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Post by Crimson Cross on Nov 27, 2010 14:41:18 GMT -5
I got the cards in today and they are really good, the art for each card in this release are top notch...
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Post by cruefan68 on Nov 27, 2010 15:09:36 GMT -5
I got the cards in today and they are really good, the art for each card in this release are top notch... I agree the art work is superb. I love the Dundee and Gilbert cards and Thesz is off the charts. I don't think there is any bad art in the set. I love them all.
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Post by smathis on Nov 27, 2010 15:16:45 GMT -5
Like with Animal on L2O where he has the spike piledriver-3 add 1 (tag), I normally would just change it to piledriver-3 and go from there. That's what I do. Been doing it since 2003 and never had any problems with it. Some tag guys might get a benefit by have the equivalent of a zero Finisher on L3O-6 and often a L3O-5 Finisher to go with it. But that hasn't caused me any issues and often I've found those same guys will wind up with a 2 on L2O-6. So I've found it evens out. Tag guys aren't too weak. Not too strong either. The Road Warriors have been horribly weak for me. Not dominant at all though. Maybe I'll give them a singles run to see if that changes my mind. Re: Legends Ten. The holidays had us strapped for $$$ this year. I get paid at the end of the month, though, and can't wait to put in my order. Looking forward to Dundee and Thesz.
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