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Post by LWPD on Feb 1, 2012 20:52:02 GMT -5
It's a typo. 11 losses not wins. with 11 wins losses who barely won a fight His record is 27-11 or something. Not exactly impressive to the casual viewer and certainly not the kind of record you'd think a big talker like Sonnen would have. Whether or not you are impressed with his body isn't the point. Point is to casual fan these Fox shows he looks like an average Joe. yes 11 losses is a lot, but in the world of MMA, it matters most what you have done in your last 5 fights. 4 of his last fights, he won decisively. Decision or not, he won all unanimously. His one loss was against a guy who is arguable the best pound for pound fighter today. He had the fight won, and got caught. Still a loss, but nonetheless, he showed in the fight that he was good enough to be considered one of the best in the division. That is why is in the position to get a title match once again. I have no idea where you get this "average Joe looking skinny ass white boy" persona out of Sonnen. Chael was highly credentialed on the Greco Roman circuit before entering MMA. At his peak he was an Olympic Alternate. His biggest weakness has always been submissions...especially the triangle (he's been caught 4 times). Weird mentally lapses have become his trademark, but he's definitely a threat in the MW division. |
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Post by LWPD on Feb 1, 2012 21:14:28 GMT -5
If they can keep up these numbers, UFC will not go bankrupt anytime soon. From MMA Torch: UFC on Fox 2 reportedly peaks with over 6.6 million viewers during Evans-Davis main event[/i] Here's the source: www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12360.shtml[/quote]The show beat everything in their time slot on the other networks for all two hours. Fox will be happy with that. UFC is essentially being compensated to produce a funded infomercial on national television. $90 million over seven years for featuring a few fights intended to sell other past/present content. It's a numbers game, and they're bound to get more people buying PPVs, video games, DVDs, etc. Even if they didn't, they come out a winner with the money they've already banked. Hopefully the show will last the duration and work well for both parties. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 2, 2012 11:08:16 GMT -5
It's a typo. 11 losses not wins. with 11 wins losses who barely won a fight His record is 27-11 or something. Not exactly impressive to the casual viewer and certainly not the kind of record you'd think a big talker like Sonnen would have. Whether or not you are impressed with his body isn't the point. Point is to casual fan these Fox shows he looks like an average Joe. yes 11 losses is a lot, but in the world of MMA, it matters most what you have done in your last 5 fights. 4 of his last fights, he won decisively. Decision or not, he won all unanimously. His one loss was against a guy who is arguable the best pound for pound fighter today. He had the fight won, and got caught. Still a loss, but nonetheless, he showed in the fight that he was good enough to be considered one of the best in the division. That is why is in the position to get a title match once again. We aren't having the same conversation. My whole point is that here is this regular looking guy with 11 loses who barely beats this other regular looking guy then cuts a promo like he is the worlds baddest dude. It made him and UFC look totally stupid to the casual viewer Fox intends on "hooking" with these programs. Why or how he got those 11 losses has nothing to do with the points being made. I have no idea where you get this "average Joe looking skinny ass white boy" persona out of Sonnen.  I realize Sonnen probably out weighs you by about 90 lbs. but a 6'1 185lb guy is pretty average. Compare that to Overveem or Brock who are larger than life characters, able to attract wide audiences just because of their size. Or even smaller guys GSP or Anderson Silva who have very unique looks and styles. There's no question Brock is a bigger draw than Sonnen. Even the biggest Lesnar haters can't deny that he's the biggest draw in UFC history. However, the post interview performances had nothing to do with who can draw better. It absolutely has everything to do who can draw better. Brock was the biggest draw in UFC history because fans either loved him or wanted to see him get killed. Sonnen conjures up none of those emotions with casual fans. Brock made himself look like a star with that promo. Sonnen made himself look like a total idiot. Again he has no business hyping himself like that and he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of UFC business. He came of forced, scripted and made him and his company look stupid after a boring win that could have gone either way. That's the only point. |
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Feb 2, 2012 14:01:41 GMT -5
I realize Sonnen probably out weighs you by about 90 lbs. but a 6'1 185lb guy is pretty average. Just because you outweigh him by 200lbs doesn't make him average looking. Seriously, if you think he looks average (not to mention you think I'm 95lbs) than that's your opinion. Back to your original post... it so unbelievable wrong on so many levels. Just look at the ratings I posted earlier and re-read your original post. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 2, 2012 14:24:37 GMT -5
Back to your original post... it so unbelievable wrong on so many levels. Just look at the ratings I posted earlier and re-read your original post. The only reason you think it's wrong is because you aren't talking about the same thing I am. Lost. |
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Feb 2, 2012 18:42:58 GMT -5
Back to your original post... it so unbelievable wrong on so many levels. Just look at the ratings I posted earlier and re-read your original post. The only reason you think it's wrong is because you aren't talking about the same thing I am. Lost. I'm talking about your original post. You came to the conclusion after watching, that UFC was going to be dead within 5-7 years and Dana White has no clue as to how to get his fighters over. That's what's so wrong. If you don't believe me, look at the ratings. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 3, 2012 10:31:35 GMT -5
The only reason you think it's wrong is because you aren't talking about the same thing I am. Lost. I'm talking about your original post. You came to the conclusion after watching, that UFC was going to be dead within 5-7 years and Dana White has no clue as to how to get his fighters over. That's what's so wrong. If you don't believe me, look at the ratings. Who got over on that show? Which fighter put on such a show that he converted millions of casual fans to regular viewers? Which fighter became a house hold, must-see name the next time UFC shows up on Fox? Which fighter created a media frenzy? I saw the ratings. Its not just about how many people watched, but will the new viewers wanna watch again? The ratings were lower than the first time UFC was on Fox. Will they be even lower the next time? At some point Dana White will need to sell shows with his fighters, not the UFC brand. Nothing and nobody from the show did anything to move UFC business forward. It was a shit show from start to finish. What exactly did you see that makes you think casual fan was begging for more when that show ended? Nothing. ...Sonnen...6'1 185lb guy is pretty average. ...doesn't make him average looking.
The average man is is about 5' 9" tall. He weighs 175 pounds. 4 inches taller and 10 lbs. heavier than your average Joe. Not exactly a genetic wonder capable of drawing in the masses with his appearance. |
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Feb 3, 2012 12:34:52 GMT -5
I'm talking about your original post. You came to the conclusion after watching, that UFC was going to be dead within 5-7 years and Dana White has no clue as to how to get his fighters over. That's what's so wrong. If you don't believe me, look at the ratings. Who got over on that show? Which fighter put on such a show that he converted millions of casual fans to regular viewers? Which fighter became a house hold, must-see name the next time UFC shows up on Fox? Which fighter created a media frenzy? I saw the ratings. Its not just about how many people watched, but will the new viewers wanna watch again? The ratings were lower than the first time UFC was on Fox. Will they be even lower the next time? At some point Dana White will need to sell shows with his fighters, not the UFC brand. Nothing and nobody from the show did anything to move UFC business forward. It was a shit show from start to finish. What exactly did you see that makes you think casual fan was begging for more when that show ended? Nothing. Considering that this followed a much anticipated fight for a championship, this drop is rather insignificant. As far as what did it to move forward, it set up: Evans vs Jones for the LH title and Sonnen vs. Silva for the MW Title Whether casual fans become more than casual will only be determined by the buy rate of each PPV (if it's on fox, then ratings). ...doesn't make him average looking. www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man
The average man is is about 5' 9" tall. He weighs 175 pounds. 4 inches taller and 10 lbs. heavier than your average Joe. Not exactly a genetic wonder capable of drawing in the masses with his appearance. I never said he was a "genetic wonder." Dude, if you think he's average looking, by all means, you're entitled to feel that way, just as I am otherwise. |
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Post by swarm on Feb 3, 2012 13:00:24 GMT -5
Considering that this followed a much anticipated fight for a championship, this drop is rather insignificant. Nonsense. As if casual fans care that much more about the UFC Heavyweight title. If that were true then all UFC heavyweight fights would draw the best and they don't. That show was bad too. If anything, the ratings decline just helps my argument. We'll see what happens next time UFC airs on Fox. as far as this one goes, Brock Lesnar vs. a baby in a top hat would have destroyed the ratings this show got. I never said he was a "genetic wonder." Dude, if you think he's average looking, by all means, you're entitled to feel that way, just as I am otherwise. I never said you did. I said he is an average looking guy incapable of drawing in new crowds and you keep arguing that. You said he isn't average looking and I just proved with scientific fact that he is damn close (4 inches and 10 pounds to be exact). If UFC is going to grow and succeed over the next several years Dana White needs to change a lot of things, all discussed in my first post. I don't see anyone anywhere saying that was a good show. |
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Post by Jon E Diamond on Feb 3, 2012 13:40:34 GMT -5
Considering that this followed a much anticipated fight for a championship, this drop is rather insignificant. Nonsense. As if casual fans care that much more about the UFC Heavyweight title. If that were true then all UFC heavyweight fights would draw the best and they don't. That show was bad too. If anything, the ratings decline just helps my argument. We'll see what happens next time UFC airs on Fox. as far as this one goes, Brock Lesnar vs. a baby in a top hat would have destroyed the ratings this show got. Nonsense??!! Really??!! Title fights aren't as bigger than non-title fights to the casual fan? You're not even trying to make sense. You're just trying to get the last word. I'll concede to your "scientific facts" about Sonnen, and it's fine that you didn't like the show. To each his own. But why are you suggesting that I think these guys can outdraw Brock? I've already said that Brock is the biggest draw in UFC history. Did I post something that suggested otherwise? If I did, then I take it back. |
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