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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 13, 2012 11:06:36 GMT -5
I'm still really excited for the WM matches, but only because I haven't watched any WWE since the rumble so that the "build-up" hasn't ruined the matches for me.
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Post by Mike M on Mar 13, 2012 11:21:48 GMT -5
You said that Cena is the present day Hogan. I agree. But also remember the shockwaves caused by Hogan turning heel. That lead to a resurgence in wrestling that wasn't there for a number of years. Eventually, Cena, I think will need to be turned heel. It probably won't be the WWE that does it, or if they do, they will screw it up, but eventually, Cena will play himself out as his current fanbase grows up, just like with Hogan. The one thing that I'll say is that Hogan was the constant baby face for around 13 years before turning.... and while Cena's been a face for a while (about 8 years or so) it still wouldn't be quite as startling. Plus, I do think that the IWC might actually start cheering if he went heel, so it might not be as effective. Hogan also had the benefit of having been the "other fed's" top face, who was really hated in the non-WWF dominated areas anyway. I think that Cena would be a great heel, because I think that he's a great entertainer and would do well in any role he's given. But like someone else said, until they develop another baby face for the kids to get behind, I doubt that they'll turn him. I was even surprised that they went as "old school" with last night's promo- they've been trying to distance him from that character for a long time. |
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 13, 2012 13:22:56 GMT -5
I still enjoy the Rock. And when Cena comes out rapping that just makes anyone who doesn't like him feel that way even more.
As for Cena, from a storyline a purpose it makes sense for him to lose to Rock, and then turn heel. It just does. If he wins, which i think he will, then the people that hate him will hate him even more. If he's a heel for a while he could be redeemed eventually and may even be more popular. I mean WWE does a lot of turns which don't make sense ( Daniel Bryan now is not only arrogant..okay fine...but now he's abusive to women?!)
Jericho-Punk. I thought at first the alcoholic thing might give it some depth. Sad thing is , even though they're fighting over the WWE title, it got not much airtime last night. I didn't think Orton needed to be on RAW. Should have spent more time on the WWE title.
UT-HHH. Well they're trying to make a bad situation better. There's no reason for them to be going at it again this year. So UT is mad that HHH beat him up last year. So...if he wins this year and HHH beats him up again...will he want another match? And if he wins he says it's the end of an era. Does that mean he's retiring even if he wins?? Dragging Shawn in it made no sense. Shawn lost two years ago, UT tipped his hat to him, everyone knows Shawn is happy in retirement. Nobody 'looks at him as a loser". Now it's the same old 'what will Shawn do as the referee?'
You've got Miz with still nothing to do. they should have had UT come back hobbled from last year, and Miz or even Orton try to take him out for good. That would have made way more sense.
Imagine if it was a handicap vs. Taker at his final WrestleMania. That could have been interesting.
And as for the big tag match...will that's one step better . Last week i was guessing Long and Lauranitis would actually be wrestling at WM.
Still waiting for the obligatory Diva-waste-of-time-match at WrestleMania.
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Post by jrgoldman on Mar 13, 2012 14:10:43 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are complaining about the build for the undertaker match, and even the opponent. Why would you want Miz or Orton to fight Taker? The only person on the roster that I actually buy as having a shot to beat the undertaker is HHH. Why would you want a main event to be a match that everyone knows the outcome to? That's like saying "Santino gets a big pop. I think i'd rather see Santino vs. Rock at wrestlemania".
I see the Jericho promo as a logical progression in the feud, although it seems like I am in the minority. The way I see it, Jericho keeps saying he is the best in the world, although he knows that punk is younger and on fire right now. He is using every trick he has learned over the years, because that is what sets him apart from Punk. It's like Kobe vs. Lebron....Lebron might be physically superior and in his prime, but Kobe has that basketball mind that sets him apart. Jericho cut the promo because he knew it would get to Punk and put him off his game. The angle isn't about Punk's drunk dad, its about Jericho using everything he has ever picked up, because that it what makes him still the best in the world.
Also, pretty cool little fact: Daniel Bryan is only the third wrestler ever to make his wrestlemania debut is champion, and the only person ever to do it with the world title. The other two are Flair and Slaughter. Pretty good company!
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Post by Mynnotaur on Mar 13, 2012 14:41:20 GMT -5
In regards to Jericho using CM Punk's alcoholic dad against him....on FB, Tom said, and I qoute: "Jericho using the tactics used to great advantage many times by Hector the Holy Brown Bear."
I have to agree with Tom, here. I think that Jericho doing that took the feud up a few steps. Punk was visibly brought low by it, and it elevates Jericho to a new level of Heel, in my mind. I really like how it brings Punk's "straight edge" gimmick around....It isn't because CM Punk is some great moral authority, it is because Punk is terrified to drink.
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Post by Demosthenes on Mar 13, 2012 15:08:34 GMT -5
The only person on the roster that I actually buy as having a shot to beat the undertaker is HHH. I cannot agree with this. Would not a Taker vs Shamus, Taker vs CM Punk, or even Taker vs Cody Rhodes be just as unpredictable? But I have to admit that it isn't about HHH. It is about the WWE not making a star for the Taker to face at Wrestlemania! If they wanted to, the WWE could build up Mason Ryan, Tyler Reks, Jack Swagger, or Ted DiBiase (just to name a few) that could go against Taker and make it look good. Instead, they give us the same match 3 times. The WWE has wasted more talent than the AWA ever had! |
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Post by Tournament Master on Mar 13, 2012 17:13:42 GMT -5
I really like the Kobe-Lebron analogy for Jericho-Punk. While the CM Drunk promo was distastful, it is the old school master trying to get a psychological edge on the younger champ.
As for the Miz not being booked, I think that gets him back into the main event picture by getting involved in Rock-Cena. That would also set up a program with Cena and Miz after Mania...and who knows maybe Rock and Miz at WM 29.
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Post by jrgoldman on Mar 13, 2012 17:28:43 GMT -5
The only person on the roster that I actually buy as having a shot to beat the undertaker is HHH. I cannot agree with this. Would not a Taker vs Shamus, Taker vs CM Punk, or even Taker vs Cody Rhodes be just as unpredictable? But I have to admit that it isn't about HHH. It is about the WWE not making a star for the Taker to face at Wrestlemania! If they wanted to, the WWE could build up Mason Ryan, Tyler Reks, Jack Swagger, or Ted DiBiase (just to name a few) that could go against Taker and make it look good. Instead, they give us the same match 3 times. The WWE has wasted more talent than the AWA ever had! You really think people would debate over whether Cody Rhodes or Undertaker would win? I think we just have to agree to disagree. I think we see two different things: you think facing UT at Wrestlemania is a rub that would get someone over, whereas I only think that beating him will get the fans attention. The only active wrestler that I think would inspire the same kind of believable arguments the WWE wants from fans in my opinion is John Cena, and he is otherwise occupied. Perhaps this is the fault of the WWE for not making new stars or whatever, but be that as it may, there really isn't anyone. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 13, 2012 18:25:02 GMT -5
I thought RAW was totally awesome last night until the Rock came out.
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Post by Justin Case on Mar 13, 2012 18:48:57 GMT -5
I didn't think the Rock Concert was awful. I chuckled a couple times. Show wasn't too bad, I missed Cena's rap (oh well!)
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