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Post by on_the_edge on Sept 6, 2013 5:40:19 GMT -5
It is called build up. Like I said most fans can not grasp that these days. Four months to try and build something makes most fans crazy because in four months they have cheered and then booed half a dozen guys as they keep looking for the next thing. The one thing TNA did wrong there is cave to the fans and put more focus on Aces than they wanted. It was supposed to be a much slower developing story line but fans could not wait, like the spoiled brats they are, and shit all over a story line they knew nothing about because it had not really started.
I see a lot of people talking about Aces losing matches like you do. Which goes to show people will gladly talk about things they are clueless about. Aces was not about winning matches. It was about getting Bully the World title and protecting him. Did they do that? HELL YES! So mission accomplished. Of course they could have had Aces come out and dominate. Then those complaining about them losing would have been complaining about them winning. Saying how a bunch of newbies were dominating the stars of the promotion. You know, like the Shield did. Of course people would say Aces was ripping off the Shield. Even when they debuted first.
As far as WCW and who else is to blame go back and read my post. It is right in there.
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Post by lordhumongous on Sept 6, 2013 6:06:18 GMT -5
I have watched wrestling since the Sheik, Bobo Brazil, Bulldog Don Kent, etc. were on tv with Big Time Wrestling. Long storylines, short storylines, I don't care as long as they make sense. And just like in WCW, Hogan and Bischoff have no clue about building strong storylines. Sure Bully gets big heat, but as far as the rest of the Aces just a lot of smoldering wood. This is your big heel group but without Bully you got nothing. They are a weak clone of the NWO without the big stars because TNA can't bankroll what Hogan and Bischoff want to do.
And Switchtruth is right on about who is to blame for the demise of WCW. With Bischoff, Hogan, Nash, and Hall running the booking and creative aspects they refused to let get over, had no clue what to do with the NWO once it got going. Their big idea was to have everybody join and split the group in two. While there maybe be others behind the scenes that deserve alittle of the blame, I believe Switchtruth was saying those four garner 98% of the blame.
Now they are repeating the process in TNA. If these two would of received a blank check like they did in WCW, TNA would be long gone by now. With Hogan and Bischoff running things it's kind of ironic that not having unlimited money is probably saving TNA from being killed off by the two with no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 15:34:19 GMT -5
It is called build up. Like I said most fans can not grasp that these days. Four months to try and build something makes most fans crazy because in four months they have cheered and then booed half a dozen guys as they keep looking for the next thing. The one thing TNA did wrong there is cave to the fans and put more focus on Aces than they wanted. It was supposed to be a much slower developing story line but fans could not wait, like the spoiled brats they are, and shit all over a story line they knew nothing about because it had not really started. So basically you can have a stable fart around for four months and do nothing noteworthy and it's called buildup? They FLAT OUT IGNORED THEM on the first PPV after their debut. These guys killed Sting and Hogan and they IGNORED THAT. I see a lot of people talking about Aces losing matches like you do. Which goes to show people will gladly talk about things they are clueless about. Aces was not about winning matches. You book a stable like this and you have to keep them strong. Having them never win a match makes them look bad, no matter what way you cut it. It was about getting Bully the World title and protecting him. Did they do that? HELL YES! So mission accomplished. Actually, the stable was about taking over TNA but that was during that four month period where TNA did absolutely nothing with that stable. They attacked dudes every week and nothing happened. They'd call them out, nothing happened. We'd get promos that lead to an attack that the very next week...lead to nothing. This happened for FOUR MONTHS. Actually, you know what? It was still like that after they got full access at Bound For Glory. Tell me more how I'm part of the group that doesn't pay attention to long term storylines. Try to argue for this stable all you want. The fact is the first four months were pointless and the stable has never looked like a threat outside ob Bully and he didn't reveal himself as part of it until oh... nine friggin' months in.Of course they could have had Aces come out and dominate. Then those complaining about them losing would have been complaining about them winning. Saying how a bunch of newbies were dominating the stars of the promotion. Actually I'm pretty sure people would rather these dudes win a match every now and again instead of looking like total shit at every turn. You know, like the Shield did. Of course people would say Aces was ripping off the Shield. Even when they debuted first. Nobody complained about the Shield because the stable was handled correctly. They were made a threat immediately and have REMAINED a threat. A s far as WCW and who else is to blame go back and read my post. It is right in there. I don't see Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash or Scott Hall blamed so I'm inclined to think you're pretty wrong. I'm actually starting to think you're Eric Bischoff because of how you're defending this. |
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Post by reno on Sept 6, 2013 18:03:57 GMT -5
I'm actually starting to think you're Eric Bischoff because of how you're defending this. I was going to call Garrett, but you kind of beat me to it  |
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Post by on_the_edge on Sept 7, 2013 14:33:47 GMT -5
I don't see Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash or Scott Hall blamed so I'm inclined to think you're pretty wrong. I'm actually starting to think you're Eric Bischoff because of how you're defending this. This alone shows you have little credibility. Because it shows you either did not bother to read what I wrote, can not comprehend it as easy as that is to do, prefer to ignore what I wrote or some combination of these. While I did not mention Hogan, Nash or Hall in my first post as my focus was on Eric I did mention that Eric made mistakes. I also said he gets to much of the blame meaning that he does deserve some just not all that he gets. Not to hard to figure that out. Or so I thought. As far as your OPINION on Aces just because they were not booked how YOU wanted does not mean they were handled wrong. They were NOT meant to take over TNA. Just because some fans associated them with nWo because the only way then can comprehend angles in wrestling is to compare them to past ones does not make it so. The idea of the group is people who got over looked and passed over by Hogan and the people in charge. Thus their motto "When you ride with us, you never walk alone". Devon had the TV title, as it was taken from him and he never lost it, but other than that they only care about the World title. That is putting emphasis on the top title, something that WWE has not done for most part of last few years. Yes they lost matches and they do not care. They won battles, attacking and taking guys out, and they won the only matches that mattered. Like World title matches and ones that gave them power. Most of the matches they lost were meaningless in so much as win or lose did not really effect them. And while I might be the only one that did not like how the Shield was handled at their debut over all that is still one person. I found it funny that 3 indy guys who had not been seen on WWE main programming could show up and lay waste to the top WWE guys. It made the WWE guys look WEAK!!! It was one thing when 3 guys jumped 1. Even ok when they won the first 3 on 3 matches. But the more they won even matches the weaker the WWE looked. But since it is WWE, who can do no wrong in the eyes of some fans, and it was new guys and something of an actual story line as under developed as it was the fans cheered. Just shows how the fans are starved for anything that resembles a story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 15:36:31 GMT -5
]This alone shows you have little credibility. Because it shows you either did not bother to read what I wrote, can not comprehend it as easy as that is to do, prefer to ignore what I wrote or some combination of these. While I did not mention Hogan, Nash or Hall in my first post as my focus was on Eric I did mention that Eric made mistakes. I also said he gets to much of the blame meaning that he does deserve some just not all that he gets. Not to hard to figure that out. Or so I thought. And you arguing that this stable is well booked shows that you have no credibility. Suck it. As far as your OPINION on Aces just because they were not booked how YOU wanted does not mean they were handled wrong. As far as your OPINION on Aces just because you think they were booked right doesn't mean they were handled right. See how that works? They were NOT meant to take over TNA. Just because some fans associated them with nWo because the only way then can comprehend angles in wrestling is to compare them to past ones does not make it so. They wanted full access to TNA. They've said they were going to take over the company. But hey, let's ignore that so that it bolsters your argument, right? Nope. ]The idea of the group is people who got over looked and passed over by Hogan and the people in charge. The idea of the group is it's people who got overlooked and passed over by Hogan and WANTED TO TAKE REVENGE BY TAKING OVER THE COMPANY. ]Thus their motto "When you ride with us, you never walk alone". Devon had the TV title, as it was taken from him and he never lost it, but other than that they only care about the World title. I'll give you this. ]That is putting emphasis on the top title, something that WWE has not done for most part of last few years. Seriously, I'm starting to think you're Eric Bischoff. ]Yes they lost matches and they do not care. They won battles, attacking and taking guys out, and they won the only matches that mattered. They won battles, attacking and taking Magnus out. For someone attacking my credibility you're certainly overlooking that they biggest accomplishments they have outside of the World Title is killing Magnus like fourteen times. ]Like World title matches and ones that gave them power. Most of the matches they lost were meaningless in so much as win or lose did not really effect them. So Lethal Lockdown was meaningless? Okay. And while I might be the only one that did not like how the Shield was handled at their debut over all that is still one person. And you're the ONLY person who thinks the Shield was booked poorly. Look around, plenty of people think the Aces angle sucks...but I guess they don't count, right? I found it funny that 3 indy guys who had not been seen on WWE main programming could show up and lay waste to the top WWE guys. It made the WWE guys look WEAK!!! And Garret Bischoff and Wes Brisco taking the fight to TNA's top guys...doesn't? It was one thing when 3 guys jumped 1. Even ok when they won the first 3 on 3 matches. But the more they won even matches the weaker the WWE looked. You're right, they totally should have just won one match every four months because that's the right way to book the threat to the company, right? Holy shit dude, you're really Eric Bischoff aren't you? But since it is WWE, who can do no wrong in the eyes of some fans, and it was new guys and something of an actual story line as under developed as it was the fans cheered. Just shows how the fans are starved for anything that resembles a story. Replace "WWE" with "TNA" and "some fans" with "you and/or Eric Bischoff" and this pretty much can be applied to you. Oh btw, I'm the one with no credibility? Which one of us is arguing that the worst booked angle in at least a decade is actually good by trying to justify the stable out to take over the company losing matches? You know what? Here's my future response to anything you post:  |
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Post by executioner on Sept 7, 2013 17:08:46 GMT -5
Wow, this argument has become absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 17:31:23 GMT -5
Wow, this argument has become absurd. It always does when you argue with Eric Bischoff. |
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