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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 21:37:50 GMT -5
TNA is far from perfect but in my opinion the stories have been better since Bischoff came around. They seem to be planning more long term although things do seem to be falling apart a little right now. Like that long term plan where they decided to do nWo Sons of Anarchy and wing it for over a year? Like how they didn't forsee Magnus having visa issues and ruining the end of the Bound For Glory series? |
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Post by pikemojo on Aug 30, 2013 13:50:16 GMT -5
TNA is far from perfect but in my opinion the stories have been better since Bischoff came around. They seem to be planning more long term although things do seem to be falling apart a little right now. Like that long term plan where they decided to do nWo Sons of Anarchy and wing it for over a year? Like how they didn't forsee Magnus having visa issues and ruining the end of the Bound For Glory series? What makes you say they were winging Aces & Eights? If you don't like A&E that is a different argument but it was a long, presumably thought out process that is rare to see in today's wrestling world and would have been unheard of in most prior years of TNA. Visa issues? Sounds like something that can't always be planned for. Every organization will run into this. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 15:26:57 GMT -5
What makes you say they were winging Aces & Eights? If you don't like A&E that is a different argument The fact the angle started and wasn't even acknowledged on the first PPV after it started speaks to me that they didn't really have any idea. They just started the angle and hoped everything fell into place like they ALWAYS do with these stable angles. The fact they were able to tie everything together means nothing, because they only acknowledged Bound For Glory until Lockdown, they didn't make mention of ANYTHING before that. That's FOUR MONTHS of the angle that pretty much didn't matter because to them, it all began at BFG...so why not just start it at BFG? And then there's the Main Event Mafia being added into the whole thing for no reason whatsoever and Kurt Angle's stupidity ruining two weeks of TV. but it was a long, presumably thought out process that is rare to see in today's wrestling world and would have been unheard of in most prior years of TNA. Yeah, this kind of angle is so foreign in modern wrestling. Chikara totally doesn't plan out an entire year before the first show. The BDK angle didn't start TWO YEARS before the actual reveal or anything. As for it being unheard in TNA, a lot of things are unheard of in most prior years of TNA. For example, pushing Samoa Joe and having logical booking. Visa issues? Sounds like something that can't always be planned for. Every organization will run into this. It's happened to WWE once that I can recall and when it DID happen, it didn't uproot two weeks of TV because they had no alternative planned and had to book everything THAT DAY. Magnus was an integral part of their BFG series and how do you not know when someone's going to need their work visa renewed? That's something that a promotion with it's shit together would at least have a handle on. |
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Post by pikemojo on Aug 30, 2013 19:22:18 GMT -5
What makes you say they were winging Aces & Eights? If you don't like A&E that is a different argument The fact the angle started and wasn't even acknowledged on the first PPV after it started speaks to me that they didn't really have any idea. They just started the angle and hoped everything fell into place like they ALWAYS do with these stable angles. The fact they were able to tie everything together means nothing, because they only acknowledged Bound For Glory until Lockdown, they didn't make mention of ANYTHING before that. That's FOUR MONTHS of the angle that pretty much didn't matter because to them, it all began at BFG...so why not just start it at BFG? And then there's the Main Event Mafia being added into the whole thing for no reason whatsoever and Kurt Angle's stupidity ruining two weeks of TV. but it was a long, presumably thought out process that is rare to see in today's wrestling world and would have been unheard of in most prior years of TNA. Yeah, this kind of angle is so foreign in modern wrestling. Chikara totally doesn't plan out an entire year before the first show. The BDK angle didn't start TWO YEARS before the actual reveal or anything. As for it being unheard in TNA, a lot of things are unheard of in most prior years of TNA. For example, pushing Samoa Joe and having logical booking. Visa issues? Sounds like something that can't always be planned for. Every organization will run into this. It's happened to WWE once that I can recall and when it DID happen, it didn't uproot two weeks of TV because they had no alternative planned and had to book everything THAT DAY. Magnus was an integral part of their BFG series and how do you not know when someone's going to need their work visa renewed? That's something that a promotion with it's shit together would at least have a handle on. My point was that, good or bad, since Bischoff's arrival the booking has been longer term. Do they have everything figured out? Not by a long shot. I'm not arguing that TNA's storytelling is better than WWE or Chikara. I'm simply saying that in my opinion it is better than it has been for the better part of their entire history. As for WWE, they are notorious, or rather Vince McMahon is, for making changes up until the minute the show hits the air. |
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 3, 2013 10:55:50 GMT -5
Bischoff had one good idea, the nWo which really wasn't his idea he saw the angle in Japan. Six months into it I wondered "What next?" there was nothing else. Just convert 50 guys to the group and stand in the ring.
so basically Hogan think's a good idea is to spend a bunch of money to buy wrestlers and bankrupt another organization.
Only this time that wouldn't even work because there aren't 15 or 20 Ex-40 year old WWE guys for them to buy up. They'd literally have to go out and get Cena, Orton and maybe Chris Jericho.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 15:50:54 GMT -5
Bischoff had one good idea, the nWo which really wasn't his idea he saw the angle in Japan. Six months into it I wondered "What next?" there was nothing else. Just convert 50 guys to the group and stand in the ring. so basically Hogan think's a good idea is to spend a bunch of money to buy wrestlers and bankrupt another organization. Only this time that wouldn't even work because there aren't 15 or 20 Ex-40 year old WWE guys for them to buy up. They'd literally have to go out and get Cena, Orton and maybe Chris Jericho. And there's a better chance they call me to come win the world title than there is of them getting any of those three. |
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Post by lordhumongous on Sept 3, 2013 17:44:48 GMT -5
Bischoff had one good idea, the nWo which really wasn't his idea he saw the angle in Japan. Six months into it I wondered "What next?" there was nothing else. Just convert 50 guys to the group and stand in the ring. so basically Hogan think's a good idea is to spend a bunch of money to buy wrestlers and bankrupt another organization. Only this time that wouldn't even work because there aren't 15 or 20 Ex-40 year old WWE guys for them to buy up. They'd literally have to go out and get Cena, Orton and maybe Chris Jericho. Bischoff had no idea what to do with the NWO once it got rolling. The Aces & Eights I think are a mini rip off of the NWO. The big difference being Bully Ray is the only one who manages to get any heat. Anderson lost what he had going before he even joined, Knox never had any, and little Bischoff and Briscoe well they just need more time in the business. But to make it worse they add Ortiz who looks lost out there. Then to make it even more of a lost cause they reform the Main Event Mafia. The biggest problem with that is when Sting went on tv and was complaining about being left to fend for himself when he fought Bully for the title. He made aoint to say how no one from the back came out to help him, nobody had his back. So of course Bischoff using his sheer brilliance reformed MEM using the very people Sting was complaining about. With all the talent in the indies surely they could of brought in outside talent to make this group. Maybe I am wrong but that makes more sense to me I know they would say money was an issue but look at the waste for Hogan and Bischoff with no positive return. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 0:57:35 GMT -5
The problem with bringing in indie talent is none of them want to go because the money they'd lose on the indies isn't worth being put on a monthly salary and being told you can't work the big name indies and support yourself.
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Post by on_the_edge on Sept 5, 2013 3:59:14 GMT -5
Typical BS when it comes to TNA. They do wrong it is all their fault. They do right it was pure luck. Fact is Aces and 8s was a long drawn out story line. I know most fans can not grasp that because they have been brought up on the WWE of last few years or so where stories start and end in the same month and are almost never mentioned after that. Most fans are young and brought up on instant message and always looking for the next thing and do not know how to enjoy the current thing.
As far as Eric and WCW it seems most times he never gets enough credit but too much blame. He made mistakes no doubt but a lot falls on his bosses. They were the ones trying to cash in on the wrestling craze and kept adding programming. It is why he got burnt out and left for awhile. Then as was the history of WCW programming you got to many guys that did not know the wrestling business being put in charge and telling the guys who did know how to run things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 18:13:09 GMT -5
Typical BS when it comes to TNA. They do wrong it is all their fault. They do right it was pure luck. Fact is Aces and 8s was a long drawn out story line. I know most fans can not grasp that because they have been brought up on the WWE of last few years or so where stories start and end in the same month and are almost never mentioned after that. Most fans are young and brought up on instant message and always looking for the next thing and do not know how to enjoy the current thing. In response to Aces and Eights being long and drawn out - indeed but they had no plan for it until AFTER Bound for Glory. That's FOUR months where they f ucked around for no reason. They just had them jump dudes for months with none of it actually progressing the story. It became "Hey they're attacking dudes...again" VERY quickly. After Devon got unmasked, it went downhill. They lost EVERY FRIGGIN MATCH UNTIL BULLY WON THE BELT. Oh, and then? THEY STILL LOSE EVERY MATCH. You're trying to defend this angle? Were you also a fan of Immortal? In response to the bold: It hasn't been like that in a while. And as for "I know most fans can not grasp that because they have been brought up on the WWE of last few years or so", find me someone here who that applies to. Pretty sure most here started watching before 2000. As far as Eric and WCW it seems most times he never gets enough credit but too much blame. He made mistakes no doubt but a lot falls on his bosses. They were the ones trying to cash in on the wrestling craze and kept adding programming. It is why he got burnt out and left for awhile. Then as was the history of WCW programming you got to many guys that did not know the wrestling business being put in charge and telling the guys who did know how to run things. WCW's death goes solely on him, Hulk, Nash and Hall. Find me someone more responsible than those four. Russo? Nope. Ted Turner? Nope. AOL? Nope. It all starts with the douchebag who threw the money around to get the big stars and let them f uck over the entire company. |
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