Out Of The Ring = A Heel Move?

[markyhitch]

Does anyone class throwing an opponent out of the ring/leaving the ring something only heels do and play that way?

Do you have any rules that differ for faces and heels?

[TTX]

Out of the ring to me is less out of the ring and more a possible reversal thing so no.

[ajcostello]

I tend to think of it depending on who's doing it.

When heels do it is MOST DEFINITELY the hell getting mad tossing the opponent out of the ring.

With faces, I think of it as the face countering a spot and the heel ends up tumbling out of the ring.

I really do like to think of it as a heel thing.

[markyhitch]

Aug 26, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -5 ajcostello said:

I tend to think of it depending on who's doing it.

When heels do it is MOST DEFINITELY the hell getting mad tossing the opponent out of the ring.

With faces, I think of it as the face countering a spot and the heel ends up tumbling out of the ring.

I really do like to think of it as a heel thing.

But if you rolled "down-3(lv)" would you think, "He's a face so he's not leaving the ring" and roll opponent's L3O?

[Swarm]

I don’t see fighting outside of the ring as just a heel thing, especially if the hero is kind of a bad ass.

So I also play it wrestler by wrestler. There are a lot of good reasons for a face to leave the ring. Maybe it’s strategy and he goading then heel into following him outside the ring, maybe he just needs a breather. Other times I just imagine the guy getting knocked down so hard it sends him rolling out of the ring. I don’t see (lv) as always being a guy running from the fight.

Heels obviously want to take things to the outside because it gives them a chance to cheat or use objects around ringside to inflict more damage. But sometimes their reasons could be the same as above.

[Matt]

When Matador of M83 had a run as an "honorable face", he wouldn't leave the ring, but aside from that I've never delineated between heel and face for OOTR.

[ajcostello]

Aug 27, 2020 6:10:56 GMT -5 markyhitch said:

Aug 26, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -5 ajcostello said:

I tend to think of it depending on who's doing it.

When heels do it is MOST DEFINITELY the hell getting mad tossing the opponent out of the ring.

With faces, I think of it as the face countering a spot and the heel ends up tumbling out of the ring.

I really do like to think of it as a heel thing.

But if you rolled "down-3(lv)" would you think, "He's a face so he's not leaving the ring" and roll opponent's L3O?

I play it by ear. Wrestler by wrestler, as Swarm has said.

[Vanimal]

I always imagine a move before the Out of the Ring. For example, in the earlier days if it was Star Warrior he would dropkick the opponent and it would send them through the ropes out of the ring. Someone more powerful, say Battering Ram would clothesline his opponent over the top rope and to the floor. In current times I could see a hero, say Perfect Specimen, throwing his opponent out of the ring and hitting a tope suicida before whatever the roll is happens. It always adds a personal touch to the matches for me.

[Cory Olson]

Like others have written, I usually see the babyface doing a big move that knocks the heel out of the ring. I don't think there's anything wrong with the babyface leaving the ring, as you see that happen in real-life wrestling, where he's catching a breather.

I don't do a lot of babyface vs. babyface matches unless there's a good reason, such as a title shot at stake, it's a title match, or it's part of a tournament. But when possible, I try to avoid the babyfaces throwing each other out of the ring. If they've got a (c) on their "out of the ring," I will choose not to throw and roll up to Level 2 Offense. If they don't have the (c), I will usually say a big move knocked his opponent out of the ring. Depending on the flow of the match and the babyfaces involved, I may do some out of the ring action and say that one babyface started to do some subtle heel tactics to win whatever is at stake. It all depends on the specific match.

[Vegas]

There are alot of anti-heros who were at least faces at some point in their careers in the game such as Rowdy Roddy Piper, Bruiser Brody, Road Warriors, Sandman, Jon Moxley, Kevin Steen, The Crusher, etc who I could easily see throwing someone out of the ring as a face.

But as others have said in this thread, out of the ring for a face can also be interpreted as leaving the ring for either self-preservation or getting knocked out of the ring as the wrestler on defense- unless it was a chart scenario leading to Level 3 Offense- on the previous roll had to have either survived an attempted finisher or rolled a down-3 (so he thus got knocked down and thus could have been knocked out of the ring in the process.)