Calculating/tracking stats for a fed

[amd]

Does anyone have a good system for assigning points for rankings? I started playing around with giving points for win/loss records, but saw some other posts about factoring in loss by DQ and other items. Curious if anyone has a recommendation for a system or could point me to any existing resource I could review.

My current,simple setup (just to see how it would reflect where I "thought" guys would rank) was to give 3 points for a win and 1 point for a loss. I end up with a fair amount of under utilized wrestlers who fall to the bottom of the list so not sure I like this, but not sure how I would factor in someone who is 1-1 (4 points) compared to someone who is 0-4 (also 4 points). I enjoy the stat side of things so was hoping for a better system!

Would match rating (based on fatigue tokens or otherwise) be helpful here? I saw one post about winning via finisher getting more points, that seemed like a good item to factor in since winning that way vs count out should count for something, right? I could probably argue that the win should be a win, and then the count out should hurt the loser too. I think I like adding a boost for 'better' finishes more if I go that route. 



Thanks,

Anthony

[Travis605]

Aug 31, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -5 amd said:

Does anyone have a good system for assigning points for rankings? I started playing around with giving points for win/loss records, but saw some other posts about factoring in loss by DQ and other items. Curious if anyone has a recommendation for a system or could point me to any existing resource I could review.

My current,simple setup (just to see how it would reflect where I "thought" guys would rank) was to give 3 points for a win and 1 point for a loss. I end up with a fair amount of under utilized wrestlers who fall to the bottom of the list so not sure I like this, but not sure how I would factor in someone who is 1-1 (4 points) compared to someone who is 0-4 (also 4 points). I enjoy the stat side of things so was hoping for a better system!

Would match rating (based on fatigue tokens or otherwise) be helpful here? I saw one post about winning via finisher getting more points, that seemed like a good item to factor in since winning that way vs count out should count for something, right? I could probably argue that the win should be a win, and then the count out should hurt the loser too. I think I like adding a boost for 'better' finishes more if I go that route. 



Thanks,

Anthony

It's hard to explain by typing, but I'll try. I use a rating system similar to Rahl, but updated (this is going just on my Legends fed). My thought is a win versus Lou Thesz should mean more than a win versus Jim Duggan.


What I've done is calculate my ratings and this is just the first set for Legends
Animal                                 35 (57)

Bobby Heenan                     14 (17)

Bobo Brazil                         45 (46)

Bruiser Brody                         51 (54)

Buddy Rogers                     51 (52)

Curt Hennig                        42 (46)

Gorgeous George                 37 (40)

Harley Race                        44 (47)

Hawk                                 41 (59)

Iron Sheik                         40 (47)

Jim Duggan                        32 (33)

Jimmy Snuka                     52 (55)

Lou Albano                         10 (18)

Lou Thesz                            56 (58)

Nikolai Volkoff                    31 (37)

Randy Savage                     58 (61)

Rob Van Dam                     49 (53)

Ted DiBiase                        42 (45)


So I broke up the ratings into 5 sets. 
If you get a win against a wrestler with a 50 or over rating, you get +5 (2.5 for wins on a CO/DQ)
From 40-49, you get +4 (2 for wins on a CO/DQ)
from 30-39, you get +3 (1.5 wins on a CO/DQ)
From 20-29, you get +2 (1 for wins on a CO/DQ)
Under 20, you get +1 (.5 for wins on a CO/DQ)

Vice versa, a loss against Bobby Heenan should weigh more than a loss against Bruiser Brody
Loss against a wrestler with a 50 or over rating, you get -1 (if you lose by DQ, it's -2)
Loss from 40-49, you get -2 (if you lose by DQ, it's -3)
Loss from 30-39, you get -3 (if you lose by DQ, it's -4)
Loss from 20-29, you get -4 (if you lose by dQ ,its -5)
Loss from a under 20, you get -5 (if you lose by DQ, its -6)


I hope that explains it and wasn't confusing, lol 

[amd]

Thank you, that makes sense. Curious if I could come up with a way to factor this automatically...trying to automate the stats so I can just enter in data. Might need something more elaborate, but in the meantime I could see having just a reference sheet as you list here and manually enter the points.

[Travis605]

Aug 31, 2020 10:29:44 GMT -5 amd said:

Thank you, that makes sense. Curious if I could come up with a way to factor this automatically...trying to automate the stats so I can just enter in data. Might need something more elaborate, but in the meantime I could see having just a reference sheet as you list here and manually enter the points.

I use a Google sheet. I have to manually type it in, but I have a formula that adds things up when I type it in in that particular column. 

[pikemojo]

I also use a Google spreadsheet. I track win/loss record and win or loss streak. Fairly simple. I don't look at these things as something that the fed fans would view publicly but it helps me with matchmaking and figuring out who is actually deserving of title shots, etc. I don't play on a regular schedule so it can become easy to forget that someone is doing really well or really poorly. In real life fans don't track win/loss record but they do have some sort of idea for who is winning or losing a lot. That's my thought process behind what I do.

[amd]

I have been rolling through multiple cards to backfill/catch up my fed and it was interesting to go off my gut and then actually type in the results to see how who I envisioned as top guys were actually ranked. So far I usually run a few cards then update the spread sheet. I found it helpful on the bottom of the card to see who has been featured or not, then add some that were overlooked.

I like the idea of tracking win streak. Could add that as another item to track on my own sheet as a snapshot of who is hot/not.

[Justin Case]

I wish I knew the formula for the online calculation for rankings, but it has to be similar to Wildcat's idea! That actually makes sense.

I did a points system based on finisher use.
6 pts for win by finisher.
5 pts for win by a special move or Add 1
4 pts for win by any other move (not DQ/co)
2 pts for DQ or co wins
1 pt. for losing / showing up.

For tag matches, wrestlers split the points.

Also had bonus points for champions in title defenses, and just showing up for promos and appearance. After all, people are coming to see the champs! 😉

[TDalton]

Here's the system I used when I played:
+10 pin/sub win
+7 count out win
+5 DQ win
+1 draw/DCOR/DDQ
-5 DQ loss
-7 count out loss
-10 pin/sub loss

Count out gets higher points than DQ as the count out winner is normally in a dominant position, while a DQ winner is not. Understand there are exceptions, but that was my thinking.

Also factored in bonuses for title wins & defenses, special match victories and strength of schedule (matches against opponents I deemed to be in the top tier, regardless of outcome).

Didn't do bonuses for victory by finisher, as I figured a win is a win regardless of how it happened.

[LAWraith]

I do something similiar to Dalton ...

+2 for pin/sub win
+1 for DQ/count out
-1 for DQ/ count out loss
+2 for pin/sub loss

[Justin Case]

Aug 31, 2020 12:36:47 GMT -5 TDalton said:

Didn't do bonuses for victory by finisher, as I figured a win is a win regardless of how it happened.

So my thinking is, this bonus is mostly for this gaming in general, as I always thought hitting a finisher was sort of the goal here (via game mechanics), hence why I added it. In other games, I never counted it.