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Post by Travis605 on Oct 27, 2021 11:54:30 GMT -5
Not sure that I agree with it 100%, but hearing Chad and Tim explain the reasoning behind the C on Henning’s turnbuckle rating makes me at least understand the C rating more. Unrelated, I loved Chad discussing the hypothetical mechanic on a Flair card and then quickly said “We haven’t signed Ric Flair.” That made me laugh out loud in the car. Don't get me started on Flair: the man with a "finisher" that almost never won him a match against a top opponent. I would love to see how the team would handle that one. Besides the Brody down - 3 on L2O (jk guys), they're pretty good with stats on the back. I bet they'd come up with something creative. |
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Post by natureboi on Oct 27, 2021 12:29:14 GMT -5
The problem doing "real" wrestling as we do in the game versus real world booking which prevented Flair from often winning with the Figure Four. Flair was one of a kind. I can't think of another wrestler at or near his level who had no real finisher and whose nominal finisher was so often reversed. To me, he would be the most challenging guy to stat for that reason. |
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Post by Pete on Oct 27, 2021 16:54:29 GMT -5
On the Flair bootleg that the LOW crew put together, he had a 0-4 finisher rating that raised when certain asterisked moves were done (like "knee breaker" and "butt drop on knee") a la Kill Prey and some other guys.
The more Flair I watch the more I think he really peaked in 1980-85. He was a much more well-rounded worker who did more straight mat wrestling, did more suplexes, and who didn't retain his belt with a cheap DQ or tights grab every single time out, though some territories used him better than others. He really did come off as the best wrestler in the world--as nostalgic as we all are for the Horsemen I think the group ultimately undermined him and moved him too far towards the Honky Tonk Man end of the heel champion spectrum.
(Also, nobody--not Crockett, not Dusty, not Flair himself, and not Triple H or Jim Cornette in the future--really grasped that booking a heel NWA Champion who shows up in your area once or twice a year or even less is different than booking a heel NWA Champion who's all over multiple television shows every week. Those tricks and screwjobs and near-escapes are way, way less effective when they're happening every week.)
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Post by natureboi on Oct 28, 2021 8:36:25 GMT -5
I have that bootleg and have implemented several house rules for it, including limiting the power of the F4 to a maximum of +2 and creating the possibility (likelihood) for a once-per-fall reversal that inflicts damage on Ric. My general feeling is Flair should not be represented as an overpowering offensive wrestler like the Hulkster, who felled even the 8th Wonder of the World with his trusty leg drop. Instead make him sort of a wrestling version of Floyd Mayweather. Give him the best defensive card in the game. Make him really, really hard to beat. He was the sixty minute man: why not give him the old William Muldoon mechanic? Or a 3(0) pin when he defends a title? I'm sure the LOW team can come up with even better ideas than that.
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