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Post by paul on May 3, 2023 12:49:49 GMT -5
I'm adding something to my fed. I want everyone in my territory to have a shot at the singles title. So, when an upset occurs where a 6(3) or even a 7(4) wins a title, I am going to lower their PIN rating by 1 and each title defense will be lowered by 1 until we reach the floor of 4(1). Now, if the current champ already has a 4(1) PIN rating without the modifier, then they will get to start at 3(0). Tag-Teams will have the same process for their championship, each member will have their PIN rating lowered till they, individually, reach the 4(1) floor and anyone already with a 4(1) on their card will be a 3(0) if they are champ. My goal is to try and have some more meaningful title runs and allow for some mid-card guys to sometimes upset the main event guys and hold a title for a little bit. I am thinking it will add variety without causing the game to go absolutely bonkers. Upsets are usually rare, but it would be fun to have a 6(3) territory champ upset a title holder, win a few matches and go on a run with the temporary 4(1) rating until they get knocked off. Kind of like a organic "push" for the talent. Anyway, I haven't even used it yet, but I was considering it for a few days while trying to see how I can add more variety to my cards. What really gave me the idea is a one-off match I had several years ago where AJ Styles beat Andre. He was the first guy to ever beat Andre on my table-top and thinking about it, how cool would it have been to have a re-match with AJ Styles having modified PIN rating against Andre? Cause the re-match was the equivalent of a squash lol. That's a great idea! |
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Post by 4horsemen on May 3, 2023 14:13:20 GMT -5
I'm adding something to my fed. I want everyone in my territory to have a shot at the singles title. So, when an upset occurs where a 6(3) or even a 7(4) wins a title, I am going to lower their PIN rating by 1 and each title defense will be lowered by 1 until we reach the floor of 4(1). Now, if the current champ already has a 4(1) PIN rating without the modifier, then they will get to start at 3(0). Tag-Teams will have the same process for their championship, each member will have their PIN rating lowered till they, individually, reach the 4(1) floor and anyone already with a 4(1) on their card will be a 3(0) if they are champ. My goal is to try and have some more meaningful title runs and allow for some mid-card guys to sometimes upset the main event guys and hold a title for a little bit. I am thinking it will add variety without causing the game to go absolutely bonkers. Upsets are usually rare, but it would be fun to have a 6(3) territory champ upset a title holder, win a few matches and go on a run with the temporary 4(1) rating until they get knocked off. Kind of like a organic "push" for the talent. Anyway, I haven't even used it yet, but I was considering it for a few days while trying to see how I can add more variety to my cards. What really gave me the idea is a one-off match I had several years ago where AJ Styles beat Andre. He was the first guy to ever beat Andre on my table-top and thinking about it, how cool would it have been to have a re-match with AJ Styles having modified PIN rating against Andre? Cause the re-match was the equivalent of a squash lol. I started lowering my champs pin/sub rating back in the Superstar Wrestling game days. I always thought it made sense since the champ should have an advantage. I do that now but don't alter the DQ rating. Your idea of lowering it with each defense is interesting....something I may consider doing in the future. |
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Post by Cory Olson on May 3, 2023 14:33:24 GMT -5
I really like your idea, jobber83! I might have mentioned this earlier in this thread or on another thread. But one thing I do for my top three titles in the USWA is that the title matches cannot end via pin or submission before one wrestler's PIN hits 8 (5). I do allow DQs or countouts before that. But this lessens the frequency of quick title changes and in theory, makes the main event title matches go more than five minutes. Of course, even with that rule in place, I get some of the quick Goldberg-style squash match defenses.  |
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Post by Pariah on Jul 1, 2023 9:29:31 GMT -5
An interesting conversation happening on the Misc COTG board... Let's talk about when to roll pin saves / outside interference in case anyone missed it. On a different note -- Let's talk about DQ ratings. My IPW fed has experienced a somewhat disturbing ratio of disqualifications with a little over 10% of matches ending in this manner... And that's taking into account that I roll twice for all DQ checks that occur on the basic charts as well as pin save attempts that wind up on the outside interference chart... As a result, I've decided to temporarily lower the DQ ratings of all wrestlers by one... I don't want to eliminate disqualifications altogether, but I am hoping this will be more indicative of the landscape of professional wrestling in modern times... After all, when is the last time someone got disqualified for ramming their opponent into a corner post or putting them through a table at ringside? |
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Post by TTX on Jul 1, 2023 9:55:22 GMT -5
There's too many silly disqualification rolls especially outside the ring but the ring is a potential reversal so even on C's it's just to your advantage of trying to go to the floor. Most likely you're just killing time but you might get that reversal.
Other than that and actual moves on cards, there's no real way to get disqualified without outside interference.
If Vintage wasn't so keen on countouts, I'd probably reverse and use that out of the ring chart mostly.
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Post by Pariah on Jul 1, 2023 10:03:19 GMT -5
There's too many silly disqualification rolls especially outside the ring but the ring is a potential reversal so even on C's it's just to your advantage of trying to go to the floor. Most likely you're just killing time but you might get that reversal. This is definitely the case for me... I roll on the 'out of the ring' chart quite a bit just to see if the offensive wrestler can remain on Level 3 or the defensive wrestler can take control of the action... When I am imagining what is actually taking place, I don't picture the action going out to the floor as often as I roll on the chart itself. Other than that and actual moves on cards, there's no real way to get disqualified without outside interference. Which is kinda how it feels in real-life wrestling nowadays... Steel chairs and tables get incorporated into wrestling moves all the time right in front of the referee and the match still continues. If Vintage wasn't so keen on countouts, I'd probably reverse and use that out of the ring chart mostly. Agreed! |
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Post by ~KB~ on Jul 1, 2023 10:19:13 GMT -5
I've kind of gone the other way on this. My 'NEW' house rule is each wrestler or team gets ONE mulligan each on DQ rolls. I no longer roll EVERY DQ check twice, just the FIRST for each. After that they're on their own. Brocster has even incorporated this new rule into his NDW twitch streams. |
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Post by Cory Olson on Jul 1, 2023 11:55:55 GMT -5
Pariah, I like your idea of lowering DQ rating, as it does represent a lot of modern wrestling. I'd have to go back through my live card notes but I don't recall a lot of DQs on real-life IPW cards. One thought if you still wanted to have some level of DQs is that you could use the lowered ratings on the Vault TV shows and regular ratings on the house shows. Or the other way around if you want the TV to build toward the house shows. Just a thought! Our Canadian fans can speak more to this but I believe in Stampede, they had a card system, somewhat similar to soccer. A wrestler received a yellow card for the first infraction, a red for the second, and then was DQ'd on the third. I believe Chad Olson used a similar system for his CWA, which you can hear about on Episode 109 of Uncharted Territory!
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Post by averagereddituser on Jul 1, 2023 12:38:56 GMT -5
I've kind of gone the other way on this. My 'NEW' house rule is each wrestler or team gets ONE mulligan each on DQ rolls. I no longer roll EVERY DQ check twice, just the FIRST for each. After that they're on their own. Brocster has even incorporated this new rule into his NDW twitch streams. That’s not a bad idea. |
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Post by Pariah on Jul 1, 2023 13:45:23 GMT -5
Our Canadian fans can speak more to this but I believe in Stampede, they had a card system, somewhat similar to soccer. A wrestler received a yellow card for the first infraction, a red for the second, and then was DQ'd on the third. I believe Chad Olson used a similar system for his CWA, which you can hear about on Episode 109 of Uncharted Territory! I used this system as well (although I think there might have only been a single 'warning' card before the wrestler was disqualified) for my Kingdom of Truth fed that was loosely based on Lucha Underground... I liked the concept, but there was something about the practice that caused me to abandon it... I'll be damned if I remember what it was. HA! |
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